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I would take this further and say that nobody can really say whether they have "success" with these products yet as not enough time as gone by to accurately assess them. Glen's products haven't been around that long, and I don't think you have been using Bick4 all that long either. You can put acetone on your shoes where one would use a conditioner, but if you don't do it over a period of time, using the shoe, exposing it to the elements, it won't really show harmful in the short run.

Also, people confuse something as being harmful to shoes with something that is just not simply helpful. I'd say a large amount of products are split between these categories.

I agree...a lot of shoe care products contain harmful chemicals--heavy occlusive oils, solvents, etc.--in small enough amounts that no immediate damage is readily apparent. That doesn't mean it isn't happening...just that by the time the damage is done, selective amnesia will kick in and make the effects of wear, environmental insults, and the abuse of indifference, seem more immediate. And the subtle connection between proper maintenance, the health of the leather, as well as its ability to withstand the rigours of use will never be made.

Of course, that's one of the problems with posting to a forum such as this one...on one level or another exposure to objective information tends to ruin a person--once you are confronted with the facts, it's hard to comfortably retreat back into ignorance. That's not to say you can't close your mind to information that unsettles your world view--plenty of evidence for that right here on SF--but there'll always be that niggling "itch" somewhere deep in your subconscious...

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Edited by DWFII - 6/19/14 at 7:32am
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Can we apply Occam's Razor, here, in that the simpler answer is likely to be the best?  As a relative novice, can i suggest that it might be best just to apply a simple shoe cleaning routine - regardless of pedigree?  This discussion runs the risk of that old theological debate of 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin'. Call me stupid, but simplicity is sometimes genius. 

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Munky, what is your profession? Just curious.
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Emeritus Professor in a health care discipline, in the UK, Patrick. Previously full professor, same. 


Edited by Munky - 6/19/14 at 11:38am
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anyone with triple sole'd shoes that could comment on comfort and noise level? Also, any recommendations of cobblers offering the triple sole recraft?
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Munky
I figured everyone here was sub 50 years, assuming one is emeritus only post 50. smile.gif
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anyone with triple sole'd shoes that could comment on comfort and noise level? Also, any recommendations of cobblers offering the triple sole recraft?

If you live in the UK there is a company called ''shoehealer'' they do alot of work on Trickers which historically have thick as hell soles, so worth asking them. The issue with recrafting triple sole is the fact that most stitchers are old as hell and wouldn't be able to handle it (I have access to 3 Goodyear welt stitchers through work and none of them would be able to do the job). 

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Lots of great info guys thanks!

 

I might give the 50/50 vinegar water a try and see how it goes, will post results.

 

 

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You probably have to let it dwell a bit and control for some evaporation. Worth a shot, make sure you condition afterwards.

 

Lol well the 50/ 50 vinegar/water experiment may have turned into a big mistake. I set it up lat night, saturated the mark, wet a towel and wrapped it on the shoe and left it. Noticed the large wet mark and got nervous this afternoon and unwrapped the whole thing.

 

 

The shoe may not be fully dry but it seems like I may have only made things much worse haha. The original mark is still there and now a large surrounding mark exists and will probably dry with new outlying stains. I guess I will be polishing to cover up after this and maybe I should have just let them be. Lesson learned. 

 

 

Original stain by the pinking, and the large new outlying marks :facepalm:

 

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anyone with triple sole'd shoes that could comment on comfort and noise level? Also, any recommendations of cobblers offering the triple sole recraft?

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If you live in the UK there is a company called ''shoehealer'' they do alot of work on Trickers which historically have thick as hell soles, so worth asking them. The issue with recrafting triple sole is the fact that most stitchers are old as hell and wouldn't be able to handle it (I have access to 3 Goodyear welt stitchers through work and none of them would be able to do the job). 

Not many factory stitchers could handle triple soled shoes. The other problem is that the shoes would, for all intents and purposes be rigid and unable to flex. At the very least you're feet would be less comfortable...by a long shot...trying to move naturally in them. You might as well be wearing wooden soled clogs. There's a fellow in the UK who is one of the last master clog makers.
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anyone with triple sole'd shoes that could comment on comfort and noise level? Also, any recommendations of cobblers offering the triple sole recraft?

Best option is to send it to the maker for resoling. On the plus side Dinkelackers triple soles are like tanks, stomping on everything around them, and should last much more in between resoles.
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Burzan, I would have left it longer, it's pulling it to the surface and you will notice it transfer onto the towel.
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Burzan, I would have left it longer, it's pulling it to the surface and you will notice it transfer onto the towel.

The new marks cleared up now that things have dried thankfully. Now that the initial scare is over maybe I will give it another try.

Should it be left until things dry on their own under the wrap?
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Any advice on a solution for a possible water stain on these new AE Strand seconds, the mark is pretty subtle under normal conditios (pic is under bright LED lights). The mark started to show itself as I removed the excess polish on the shoe. I would not like to cover them with more polish.



Am I the only person who would just call this patina and carry on?
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Also, people confuse something as being harmful to shoes with something that is just not simply helpful. I'd say a large amount of products are split between these categories.

I think that this is an under-appreciated point. There's a lot of questions about whether this that or the other thing will hurt a pair of shoes, when the vast majority will be fine with brushing and trees. No harm in using stuff to make them look nice of course, but let's be honest about what we're doing.
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Am I the only person who would just call this patina and carry on?

I might be following that very logic now haha
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