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post #9616 of 19255
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Originally Posted by BillBrasky View Post
 

I just completed the full 641 page length of this thread.  At some point in the near future I'm probably going to summarize what I've learned based on the predominant sentiment during each "phase" of the thread, as there have been some major shifts.  That said, today I have a question.

 

I have only worn this pair of boots twice.  I very much enjoy them, the leather is of, what feels to me, very high quality.  Very soft and supple.  That said, I have a concern with each individual boot.  I apologize for the terrible photos ahead of time, I didn't want to break out the dslr for these particular shots.

 

The first boot has a peculiar crease forming.

 

 

 

 

It looks to me like it should be 2 creases, but in the middle of each crease there's a little mound of leather kind of poking up.  Seems strange, wanted to see what you all though.

 

The second boot has some scratches/pitting on the toe.  I noticed it when I first received the boots, I think they will probably polish out OK once I get around to polishing them, but again, just looking for opinions.

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

Bill

Not that I am an expert, and if I am wrong about this I encourage somebody to correct me, but it seems to me that there's no incompatibility between soft, supple leather and pronounced creasing. I mean, it seems like creases would form easily in soft leather, just as cordovan, which is rather stiff stuff, tends to roll rather than crease (I'm guessing this is because cordovan, as stiffer stuff, spreads out the forces applied to it more, but that could be a lie-for-children).

 

That crease there doesn't look unusual to me. What is an unusual crease, though? I mean, it seems to me, if I put my shoe on and flex my foot as I do when I am walking, I will see where it bends, and thus where the creases form. If I had creasing that was inexplicable (ie, apparently unrelated to the forces I put on the shoe), then I would be curious as to what caused them.

 

You're certainly using trees, aren't you?

 

As for the scuffs on the toecap, that's what they are. It seems like the toe has some applied burnishing/darker polish, and there seem to be scratches in that.

post #9617 of 19255

DWFII as alwasy we are really lucky to have you here!!

 

an easy 'fix', i have done to a similar problem i had, is  with the use of nano protector!! lets be a little more spesific!!

 

all suede tend to darken a little when you are using a protector on them , so if you are a little carefull and not spray on the darkened area you can "hide" the problem!!

hope i helped a little bit

post #9618 of 19255
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Not saying it can't be oil stains but unless the welt is oil stuffed as well, I doubt that oil could migrate into the vamp...esp. to that extent and that height. That's a lot of oil.

More likely it is water staining. This can happen esp with chrome tans and esp. with lighter coloured leathers (any colour except black or dk. brown, IOW). And it can happen during lasting....it didn't have to be you or your perspiration.

Sometimes getting the wholes shoe thoroughly wet and then letting it dry slowly can get rid of water stains but not always and if you don't know the quality of the materials used to make the shoes, it can actually do more harm than good.

The response I got from Leather Soul, where I bought these:

"Yes, we have seen this problems where the oil from the flex sole is sinking into the upper suede leather.
Many of the recent suede shoes actually came in like this.
Alden have told us that these oil will eventually dry out and would go away."


Somehow I doubt the oil stain can just go away just like that from the suede.
I emailed Alden, will see if they respond. I would pay to fix it. I also have a specialized leather cleaner in the city that claims to work on suede shoes (they mention UGGs on the site:) - thats the last resort.
post #9619 of 19255

I've 

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Not saying it can't be oil stains but unless the welt is oil stuffed as well, I doubt that oil could migrate into the vamp...esp. to that extent and that height. That's a lot of oil.
 

Alden uses what they call a "flex-welt" with their oil-locked soles that is more flexible than their standard welts. Maybe that means they are oil stuffed, too? I don't know. 

post #9620 of 19255
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Originally Posted by jaywhyy View Post

I've 
Alden uses what they call a "flex-welt" with their oil-locked soles that is more flexible than their standard welts. Maybe that means they are oil stuffed, too? I don't know. 

Could be but still and all that's a heck of a lot of oil. Think about it...what are they doing? oiling the outsoles after the shoe has been made? It looks to me as if the oil has crept up the sides of the shoe over a half an inch in some places. And that's against the pull of gravity! I don't think I could duplicate that effect here with less than a quarter cup of oil...esp. if it's all around the front of the shoe.

And that's the other thing...if it's coming from the outsole, why isn't the putative oil creeping up the side of the shoe in the waist area? At all?

Stranger things are done in factories (against all good sense) but it's hard to believe esp. if they know this is happening and haven't done anything to avoid it. Post haste.
post #9621 of 19255
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Originally Posted by BillBrasky View Post


I have only worn this pair of boots twice.  I very much enjoy them, the leather is of, what feels to me, very high quality.  Very soft and supple.  That said, I have a concern with each individual boot.  I apologize for the terrible photos ahead of time, I didn't want to break out the dslr for these particular shots.

The first boot has a peculiar crease forming.

It looks to me like it should be 2 creases, but in the middle of each crease there's a little mound of leather kind of poking up.  Seems strange, wanted to see what you all though.

The second boot has some scratches/pitting on the toe.  I noticed it when I first received the boots, I think they will probably polish out OK once I get around to polishing them, but again, just looking for opinions.

Thanks,
Bill

From what I can see of the photos, the leather isn't what you would call a "dress" leather, particularly. It looks to have a semi-naked finish that has been stuffed with oil. Such leathers do show scuffs and scratches more readily.

Additionally, it is not the very best hides that are designated for "pull-up" leathers. So hides that have some superficial scarring or damage, and hides from older animals, are often designated to be processed for "casual" use.

Add to that the fact that factories often cut for maximum yield and it is not surprising to see shoe that have some visually apparent blems or looseness of fiber.

The creasing issue, esp. if it is limited to just the one shoe is indicative of an older animal or a cut from a more marginal portion of the hide. I suspect if both vamps had been cut in relatively the same area, they both would have creased in a similar manner and you wouldn't have noticed it.

Aesthetics aside, I don't think either issue is really a problem...
post #9622 of 19255

X-Post from the AE thread. In addition to the finisher applied these Leeds have seen about a month worth of sun to lighten them up.

 

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Felt like today was the day to finally try out the application of Angelus Acrylic Finisher #600 on my burgundy cordovan Leeds. Let me say that the process was very easy to do and so far I feel like they replicate the "wet look" of Alden very well. I am curious to see if they are easy to maintain with just the Mac Method from here on. 

 

 

 

I initially conditioned them yesterday with VSC as I have been putting them in the sun to fade them a bit so they were a little dry. These pics are pre application of the finisher.

 

 

 

 

Once they were buffed and dry today I used a clean t-shirt and started the application on the left shoe, I did one coat, then went over with a second shortly after. Left shoe in finished in these pictures. 

 

 

 

 

Went on to do two coats on the right shoe and then went back for a third coat on both. Here is the finished shoes from a few minutes ago, they are still drying and tacky. I am not sure yet how long it will take for them both to dry. Once they do I with hit them with a quick brushing and buffing to see the results along with maybe a thin layer of paste wax.

 

 


 

More Finished Pics (Click to show)

 

 

 

 
post #9623 of 19255

What is it with the US, tee shirts and shoe cleaning? How come Americans have so many 'old' tee shirts, to hand? I can't speak for everyone, but I don't have any spare tee shirts, this side of the pond. The only tee shirts I have are the ones I wear. :happy:.

post #9624 of 19255
When they get to be a grey/black color they have better uses than on one's body.
post #9625 of 19255
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Originally Posted by Burzan View Post
 

X-Post from the AE thread. In addition to the finisher applied these Leeds have seen about a month worth of sun to lighten them up.

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Felt like today was the day to finally try out the application of Angelus Acrylic Finisher #600 on my burgundy cordovan Leeds. Let me say that the process was very easy to do and so far I feel like they replicate the "wet look" of Alden very well. I am curious to see if they are easy to maintain with just the Mac Method from here on. 

 

 

 

I initially conditioned them yesterday with VSC as I have been putting them in the sun to fade them a bit so they were a little dry. These pics are pre application of the finisher.

 

 

 

 

Once they were buffed and dry today I used a clean t-shirt and started the application on the left shoe, I did one coat, then went over with a second shortly after. Left shoe in finished in these pictures. 

 

 

 

 

Went on to do two coats on the right shoe and then went back for a third coat on both. Here is the finished shoes from a few minutes ago, they are still drying and tacky. I am not sure yet how long it will take for them both to dry. Once they do I with hit them with a quick brushing and buffing to see the results along with maybe a thin layer of paste wax.

 

 


 

More Finished Pics (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 

Nice work! I have wondered about the finish on Aldens after some flakes came off a pair of shell chukkas when I tried to remove packing tape that had got stuck on the uppers.

But I tend to prefer the duller finishes of AE shell.

post #9626 of 19255

pB re tee shirts

 

When they get to be a grey/black color they have better uses than on one's body.

 

 

We call that patina where I come from. 

post #9627 of 19255
xpost from Carmina thread:

Does anyone know if this is a welt issue or just cosmetic, hard to capture in photos but it appears the upper is separated a little from welt at this area:



Shoes have been worn around house a little and outside twice
post #9628 of 19255
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

xpost from Carmina thread:

Does anyone know if this is a welt issue or just cosmetic, hard to capture in photos but it appears the upper is separated a little from welt at this area:



Shoes have been worn around house a little and outside twice

ah hah, gemming slip? not 100% sure but looks like the inseaming is not proper/loose.
post #9629 of 19255
No, not gemming failure but, for sure, poor inseaming or a damaged inseam. (Gemming failure/slip won't manifest itself until the outsole stitching starts to come loose or the outsoles is replaced.)
post #9630 of 19255
Restore black colour?

I have a pair of C&Js and the left shoe is starting to lose its black pigment.

Tried Saphir renovstor and cream (no wax) but not seeing any effect.

Any tips how to beat some more black into the leather?
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