or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › **The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.** - Page 635

post #9511 of 19069

I'm sure I will be out in them, in a couple of days, sstomcat, as soon as it stops raining! :satisfied: 

post #9512 of 19069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky View Post

Thank you very much for your help, Benhour - particularly about the polishing. Best wishes, Munky.

Thank you kindly 😄. It was a fun and meditative like process. Enjoyed every hour (joking didnt take hours 😅)

Whoops.... wrong quote. I was attempt to quote you on my first polishing haha
post #9513 of 19069

Munky is the most dedicated poster in this thread...I commend him for that...

post #9514 of 19069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky View Post
 

I'm sure I will be out in them, in a couple of days, sstomcat, as soon as it stops raining! :satisfied: 

 

I'm waiting for it to rain so I can bring out my kudu indys!

post #9515 of 19069
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCK1 View Post
 

Munky is the most dedicated poster in this thread...I commend him for that...

 

Thank you, PCK1. Dedicated perhaps but not one tenth as knowledgeable as very many on here. It's great to learn, though!.

post #9516 of 19069

Two and a half questions.

 

I spoke to my cobbler about reparing a quarter-rubber heel. His view was that this is largely cosmetic and it would be better to repair with a whole rubber sole. What are peoples' views on this?

 

With Oxford lacing I find it difficult to thread laces through the bottom two eyelets. When cleaning shoes of this sort, is it a reasonable idea to leave the bottom rung intact and tuck the remaining laces inside the shoes, while the shoes are being cleaned? Or should the whole of the two laces be take out?

post #9517 of 19069

I just wanted to say thanks for this thread everyone. It has been an awesome help to me as I've just gotten into shoes.

 

By the way, maybe I'm missing it, but I've tried searching the thread and haven't seen it. Anyone know/Can Mr. Moo tell me what model/company made those cordovan shoes in the first post? They are incredible.

post #9518 of 19069
RL Marlow shortwings.
post #9519 of 19069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky View Post

Two and a half questions.

I spoke to my cobbler about reparing a quarter-rubber heel. His view was that this is largely cosmetic and it would be better to repair with a whole rubber sole. What are peoples' views on this?


With Oxford lacing I find it difficult to thread laces through the bottom two eyelets. When cleaning shoes of this sort, is it a reasonable idea to leave the bottom rung intact and tuck the remaining laces inside the shoes, while the shoes are being cleaned? Or should the whole of the two laces be take out?

Munky...I'm kind of confused--is it the heel that wants repairing or the sole?

Ask yourself...what is the goal of shoe repair? What is the goal of repair of any kind? Isn't it to return an item back to, or near-as-nevermind, its original state?

Or is it just to get it up and functioning...sort of...in which case the pejorative meaning of cobbler is perhaps apropos.

If nothing else, a whole heel or any variation of a solid rubber heel is going to be a "guess" at the thickness of leather, etc., that it will be replacing. May be insignificant, maybe not.

If the cobbler isn't prepared or trained to replace a combi heel and keep the shoe true to the original designer and maker, he isn't prepared to do any work for you.

And, generally speaking, the combi heel isn't better or worse than the solid rubber heel it's just different--perhaps a bit more elegant, a little more expensive in terms of materials and more labour intensive. Might be the reason why your cobbler doesn't want to tackle it right there.

just my 2cents.gif
post #9520 of 19069

Thanks for your views on this, DWF. I did make a mistake in my message and meant 'heel'. I take your point about having a cobbler working to put things back to their previous state. I don't of course, have to take on his suggestion about the top of the heel being made entirely of rubber. I could ask him to put the heel back as it was. If he is prepared to do this, it might be a measure of his expertise (if might not, of course. He may agree to take on the work and produce something awful).

 

I'm at a bit of a loss...the cobbler is a very well established one and 'old fashioned'; something I have tended to take as meaning 'good. Just about the only other shoe repairer in this area is one of a chain of outlets called Timpson's. I am not sure if you have them on your side of the pond. The branch I looked at displayed all sorts of sole and heel arrangements, including the quarter rubber heel. However, these outlets also cut keys (!) and I wonder how devoted they are to doing a good job with shoes. 

 

Most of my shoes I can send back to the makers and have them done properly. However, I am pretty sure I am going to wear out the heels before the soles and wonder about the value of having a 'total makeover', every time the rubber top of the heel gets worn down. I wouldn't think that such a total makeover, on a regular basis, would be a good thing for the shoes, - or my wallet. 

post #9521 of 19069
Munky,

Just because a cobbler cuts keys, it don't signify one way or the other. It's almost a tradition...one, I suspect, started during the depression. But cobblers also retail--shoe waxes and creams, brushes, laces, shoehorns, etc.. that probably takes as much time and attention as cutting keys.

FWIW, I think you are on the right track regarding having the heels replaced by someone local...and competent. Frankly, I think it a disgrace if shoes are made such that they have to go back to the maker/manufacturer for a complete re-craft...anytime. Shoes evolved to have the outsoles and heels replaced by competent workmen no matter where you ended up. Something is wrong when you can't do that. Hooking the customer into a dependency that is all one way is borderline unethical in my playbook.

--
Edited by DWFII - 6/3/14 at 9:08am
post #9522 of 19069

Thanks for that, DWF - all very useful - particularly the bits about some shoemakers building in dependency and the key-cutting!

post #9523 of 19069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky View Post


I spoke to my cobbler about reparing a quarter-rubber heel. His view was that this is largely cosmetic and it would be better to repair with a whole rubber sole heel. What are peoples' views on this?

The answer is very simple, your cobbler does not stock the right components, so he puts on a 'spin' and tries to direct you to the items he does stock.

He doesn't want to invest in stock of "1/4 rubber top-lifts", as he has to buy them from his wholesaler in multiples of a dozen or more and he will need more then one size to be be able to cater for heels of all sizes. He might not have the clientèle who cares for those things so he has decided not to stock that item.
post #9524 of 19069
Quote:
Originally Posted by bengal-stripe View Post

The answer is very simple, your cobbler does not stock the right components, so he puts on a 'spin' and tries to direct you to the items he does stock.

He doesn't want to invest in stock of "1/4 rubber top-lifts", as he has to buy them from his wholesaler in multiples of a dozen or more and he will need more then one size to be be able to cater for heels of all sizes. He might not have the clientèle who cares for those things so he has decided not to stock that item.

That could be, but I have a different spin too. Not right or wrong - I posted on this topic some time ago and didn't really get any definitive answers. I'm not sure there is any true purpose for the leather piece on a heel - cushion, silence,?? If it's only a status thing - "look at the bottom of my shoes, I've got leather on my heels", then I agree with going to 100% rubber at the first re-heel. In our Pacific Northwest climate, it's either raining most of the winter, or the ground is still wet from the most recent rainfall. My leather soles are all topy'd, and a leather piece in the heel just gets 'soggy' in our weather. So for me, it's off with the leather vanity-heel, and on with a rubber block.

All this said, UNLESS someone can point me to true utilitarian reason for the leather heel piece? I'd love to hear thoughts on this - didn't get many bites before when I asked.
post #9525 of 19069
Why not wear wellingtons then?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Classic Menswear
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › **The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**