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Originally Posted by Nakedsnake View Post

Wondering if anyone here could tell me about Alden's Neo-cork sole? I asked over there, but didn't get a response. It would also be nice to get an unbiased one as well. I have no clue what the neo-cork sole is really made of (a composite of neoprene and leather from what I read?) and any info is hard to find. I am thinking about a pair of indy's down the road. A more technical answer is fine by me (probably preferred).

Also, would it be ill advised to get a topy on the Indy's (or any other shoe really) and just perpetually get that changed, as opposed to changing the whole sole? I've yet to find a cobbler I trust in my city, and shipping out a pair of boots back to alden or AE, would be around $220+, which is hard to justify on these brands. I don't mind the look and feel of the topy.
When you posted that on the Alden thread, I googled it and I couldn't find anything on it. I was surprised. I have never had an Indy on the neocork. But I'm curious for the answer.
post #8522 of 12490
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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

When you posted that on the Alden thread, I googled it and I couldn't find anything on it. I was surprised. I have never had an Indy on the neocork. But I'm curious for the answer.

I don't know for sure but if it is anything like the old "neocork," it is a somewhat spongy neoprene with bits of cork mixed it to the originating slurry. I've used it but never saw the advantage of it--it wears quicker than denser neoprene and the cork doesn't do anything that I can see. Maybe the cork makes the sole lighter. But the old ones were thicker anyway...maybe to compensate for the increase wear.
post #8523 of 12490
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Originally Posted by Nakedsnake View Post
 

Wondering if anyone here could tell me about Alden's Neo-cork sole? I asked over there, but didn't get a response. It would also be nice to get an unbiased one as well. I have no clue what the neo-cork sole is really made of (a composite of neoprene and leather from what I read?) and any info is hard to find. I am thinking about a pair of indy's down the road. A more technical answer is fine by me (probably preferred).

 

Also, would it be ill advised to get a topy on the Indy's (or any other shoe really) and just perpetually get that changed, as opposed to changing the whole sole? I've yet to find a cobbler I trust in my city, and shipping out a pair of boots back to alden or AE, would be around $220+, which is hard to justify on these brands. I don't mind the look and feel of the topy.

 

cant comment about the makeup of the sole itself, but I own a pair of jcrew indys with the neocork sole. didnt really notice any odd wear on the sole (versus all the other aldens I have with other type soles), but I did add a topy when I was at my cobbler replacing the heel that had worn down..

 

I'm happy with the topy on mine (along with cats paw heel)

post #8524 of 12490

This has probably been covered but the thread is 568 pages long and I can't find a specific answer via the search.

 

What is the recommended brush to go with for leather boots and shoes? looking to use it to remove dirt and will use a cloth for the next few steps. I take it a large oval brush is the way to go? if someone can point my in the right direction it would save me endlessly looking at brushes without knowing which one will do the job the best. Seems silly to spend £300 on a pair of boots or shoes and the not look after them properly.

 

 

Thanks very much. 

post #8525 of 12490
Hey guys,

Someone recommended that I post my problem in this thread (thanks for the suggestion!).

I have an excellent pair of well-loved Carmina chelsea boots. They're great boots, but have developed this harsh pebbly texture on the leather as well as some small pits. I'm not sure what's caused these blemishes, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the winter (I've worn them in the salty winter sleet a few times).

Here are some photos; please ignore the discoloration - they're still a little wet.





I initially thought it was some sort of salt buildup, and have used saddle soap to clean the affected area. However, the pebbly texture still remains and I'm afraid to agitate the area more. I'm not sure if the leather there has gotten really weak and is about to tear or something, so I don't want to be overly-abrasive with it.. For the record, I use Saphir's products to condition/shine them.

Has anybody seen this happen before? Any advice at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
post #8526 of 12490
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Originally Posted by lostintranslation View Post

Hey guys,

Someone recommended that I post my problem in this thread (thanks for the suggestion!).

I have an excellent pair of well-loved Carmina chelsea boots. They're great boots, but have developed this harsh pebbly texture on the leather as well as some small pits. I'm not sure what's caused these blemishes, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the winter (I've worn them in the salty winter sleet a few times).

Here are some photos; please ignore the discoloration - they're still a little wet.





I initially thought it was some sort of salt buildup, and have used saddle soap to clean the affected area. However, the pebbly texture still remains and I'm afraid to agitate the area more. I'm not sure if the leather there has gotten really weak and is about to tear or something, so I don't want to be overly-abrasive with it.. For the record, I use Saphir's products to condition/shine them.

Has anybody seen this happen before? Any advice at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Wow. I have never seen anything like that. I am not sure that using saddle soap was a good idea--though I am also not sure it would have caused that. Most folks here would recommend throwing that away. I would take them to a cobbler. I was caught in a huge downpour in a pair of Carminas, and had to walk over a mile in wet and muddy terrain, and what your exhibiting did not happen to me. They need professional help.
post #8527 of 12490
Honestly its just raised leather from salt stains, my beaters have it, you could try pressing it down with the back of a spoon but it might not help.
post #8528 of 12490
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Originally Posted by Burton View Post

Wow. I have never seen anything like that. I am not sure that using saddle soap was a good idea--though I am also not sure it would have caused that. Most folks here would recommend throwing that away. I would take them to a cobbler. I was caught in a huge downpour in a pair of Carminas, and had to walk over a mile in wet and muddy terrain, and what your exhibiting did not happen to me. They need professional help.
Damn, seriously? I was recommended saddle soap by the owner of the shop that I purchased these from. How would you recommend getting out salt stains if not using saddle soap? I've used vinegar and water in the past before, and the combination didn't really seem effective.

Thanks for the thoughts! I'll take them to a cobbler and see what they can do.
post #8529 of 12490
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Originally Posted by JDMills View Post

Honestly its just raised leather from salt stains, my beaters have it, you could try pressing it down with the back of a spoon but it might not help.
I'll give the spoon a shot - thanks! I'm a little disappointed that this happened to a pair of shoes that I paid this much for. I don't know if the salt where i live is especially corrosive or something, as I've never seen anything like this before. I'm thinking about picking up a pair of cordovan loafers. Hopefully they don't have the same problems as these...
post #8530 of 12490
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Originally Posted by lostintranslation View Post

Damn, seriously? I was recommended saddle soap by the owner of the shop that I purchased these from. How would you recommend getting out salt stains if not using saddle soap? I've used vinegar and water in the past before, and the combination didn't really seem effective.

Thanks for the thoughts! I'll take them to a cobbler and see what they can do.

I just use saphir renovateur and I wear swims. If I am wearing calf shoes in bad weather, I never go out without the swims.
post #8531 of 12490
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Originally Posted by JDMills View Post

Honestly its just raised leather from salt stains,.

This is the right answer.

Getting the shoes wet loosens and dissolves salts in the leather. And not just road salt but chromium salts from the tanning process. As the rainwater evaporates, moisture deep in the leather tends to move toward the dryer areas, carrying the salts with them.

If the shoe...if the leather...has an opaque "finish" on it, the salts accumulate below the finish because they cannot move through it. And it "blisters."

I don't think the saddle soap made any difference one way or the other. And while there may be newer products to address this issue, I've never seen it completely "healed" either.

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Edited by DWFII - 3/20/14 at 7:38am
post #8532 of 12490

I posted this in the Allen Edmonds thread earlier, but seems the talk of the deal going on there got it lost, and it may have been more appropriate here anyway.  I was wondering everyones thoughts on the job I did burnishing the AE Nathans I got.  They were walnut and I added some Saphir Mahogany, Saphir light brown, Meltonian dark brown, and some Allen edmonds black creme.  Is it too much, too little, nice, or what can I do to make it better, I plan on waxing the shoe with a mirror finish on some of the toe cap.

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post #8533 of 12490
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Originally Posted by nybz View Post

I posted this in the Allen Edmonds thread earlier, but seems the talk of the deal going on there got it lost, and it may have been more appropriate here anyway.  I was wondering everyones thoughts on the job I did burnishing the AE Nathans I got.  They were walnut and I added some Saphir Mahogany, Saphir light brown, Meltonian dark brown, and some Allen edmonds black creme.  Is it too much, too little, nice, or what can I do to make it better, I plan on waxing the shoe with a mirror finish on some of the toe cap.
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I would only suggest that you try to make it a little less splotchy. I like the color, though. It looks like the finish has worn off from the top of the toes. Maybe get a bit more coverage in that area.
post #8534 of 12490
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

This is the right answer.

Getting the shoes wet loosens and dissolves salts in the leather. And not just road salt but chromium salts from the tanning process. As the rainwater evaporates, moisture deep in the leather tends to move toward the dryer areas, carrying the salts with them.

If the shoe...if the leather...has an opaque "finish" on it, the salts accumulate below the finish because they cannot move through it. And it "blisters."

I don't think the saddle soap made any difference one way or the other. And while there may be newer products to address this issue, I've never seen it completely "healed" either.

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I have seen doe severely distorted leather due to salt stains. Amazing really.
post #8535 of 12490
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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post


When you posted that on the Alden thread, I googled it and I couldn't find anything on it. I was surprised. I have never had an Indy on the neocork. But I'm curious for the answer.

 

 

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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post


I don't know for sure but if it is anything like the old "neocork," it is a somewhat spongy neoprene with bits of cork mixed it to the originating slurry. I've used it but never saw the advantage of it--it wears quicker than denser neoprene and the cork doesn't do anything that I can see. Maybe the cork makes the sole lighter. But the old ones were thicker anyway...maybe to compensate for the increase wear.

 

 

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Originally Posted by kwhitelaw View Post
 

 

cant comment about the makeup of the sole itself, but I own a pair of jcrew indys with the neocork sole. didnt really notice any odd wear on the sole (versus all the other aldens I have with other type soles), but I did add a topy when I was at my cobbler replacing the heel that had worn down..

 

I'm happy with the topy on mine (along with cats paw heel)

 

 

Thanks for weighing guys, appreciate it. This has given me a much better idea of what to expect down the road. I will likely topy them, unless I find the neo-cork too heavy, then i'll replace with something else in time. I plan to continue my search to find out more info on this sole, and if I can come up with anything, I will be sure to post it here, for posterity.

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