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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

My cordovan cap toe bends on the right toe cap toe, it's really just how your foot bends in relation to the shoe.

Now I didn't make the rules but I do adhere to them within reason. If you find your shoes creasing in the toe box, it's a reasonable inference that the last is not for you. There can of course be limited exceptions and as Burzan said apart from the net (and perhaps the odd shoe buff) who's gonna notice.
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I had to throw him a beating.

I certainly don't condone violence but we'll done!
post #8403 of 11241
Quick question, guys. When putting a high shine on the toe of a shoe, do you buff the polish between each layer/application of wax? Seems to me you'd want to knock the wax down smooth after each layer to until all the low spots are filled. Am I correct?
post #8404 of 11241

Hey all!

New member here, and I just started to really learn about/care for nicer shoes.  I've been lurking a bit, and just recently purchased my first pair of Allen Edmonds(with the second in the mail)

I've been working on getting some nice polish on my shoes, and I'm finally fairly happy with my results after spending days on these shoes.  I'm sure they pale in comparison to others in this thread but thought I'd share and see if theres any advice.  From front to back they are a pair of Penguin shoes, AE Carlyle's, Vanishing Elephants, and and old pair of Zara's that are super beat up, but my next project!

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Thats my understanding of it, and what I did with my shoes, but I'm still new to it, so would love to see other input

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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

Quick question, guys. When putting a high shine on the toe of a shoe, do you buff the polish between each layer/application of wax? Seems to me you'd want to knock the wax down smooth after each layer to until all the low spots are filled. Am I correct?
post #8406 of 11241
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Originally Posted by Stirling View Post

Now I didn't make the rules but I do adhere to them within reason. If you find your shoes creasing in the toe box, it's a reasonable inference that the last is not for you. There can of course be limited exceptions and as Burzan said apart from the net (and perhaps the odd shoe buff) who's gonna notice.

This has not been true based on my few limited conversations with shoemakers.
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Originally Posted by Stirling View Post

Now I didn't make the rules but I do adhere to them within reason. If you find your shoes creasing in the toe box, it's a reasonable inference that the last is not for you. There can of course be limited exceptions and as Burzan said apart from the net (and perhaps the odd shoe buff) who's gonna notice.

There can be several reasons the shoe creases in the toe cap area. There are several recent photos on the previous page of this thread that show such creasing.

We have to remember that the shoe only creases where the foot bends. So one of the first and most common reasons the cap is creasing is that the foot is too long for the shoe. This can result from an obvious misfit and/or a foot with short toes. It could also...but less likely...be because the last the maker is using has too short a forepart. I suspect the first photo represents this kind of misfit.

Another reason, is that the toe cap is too far back on the forepart of the shoe. and it encroaches into the area where the foot needs to flex. This may be a fairly common occurrence in contemporary extended toe lasts.

And yet another reason is that there is no toe box (toe stiffener) under the toe cap...or one that is so insubstantial that it doesn't stiffen the toe of the shoe sufficiently to prevent the shoe from creasing in the toe cap area. The second photo looks for all the world like there is no stiffener under the toe cap.
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

There can be several reasons the shoe creases in the toe cap area.

You say several reasons, I call it limited exceptions but I think we pretty much agree on the causes:
1) wrong size
2) a last which isn't suited to your foots physiology
3) a softee toe puff or no toe puff
4) a shoe with unusual proportions such as elongated toe cap or even vamp.

Poor quality leather is unlikely to be a cause in the shoes posted here.
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

This has not been true based on my few limited conversations with shoemakers.

Patrick would be interested to know what other reasons have been mentioned to you?

Cheers
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Originally Posted by Stirling View Post

You say several reasons, I call it limited exceptions but I think we pretty much agree on the causes:
1) wrong size
2) a last which isn't suited to your foots physiology
3) a softee toe puff or no toe puff
4) a shoe with unusual proportions such as elongated toe cap or even vamp.

Poor quality leather is unlikely to be a cause in the shoes posted here.
Cheers

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Originally Posted by Stirling View Post


Patrick would be interested to know what other reasons have been mentioned to you?

Cheers

I was pretty much alluding to some of the things mentioned as well as the fact that even the best leathers crease and that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post


I was pretty much alluding to some of the things mentioned as well as the fact that even the best leathers crease and that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

 

 

Leather always creases, but it should crease only in the right points. 

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Meh, I think to some degree that school is thought is based more on aesthetics than any integrity issues, no?
post #8413 of 11241
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Originally Posted by CalzolaiFeF View Post


Leather always creases, but it should crease only in the right points. 

Agree.
post #8414 of 11241
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Originally Posted by CalzolaiFeF View Post


Leather always creases, but it should crease only in the right points. 

That's true but you can have two people with the exact same length of foot, same heel to ball measurement, and due to the flexibility of the foot, they will crease in different places. Make a footbed differently. Fill the inside of the shoe differently.

In fact, the width of the foot relative to the last and the girth measurements can affect the way a shoe creases.

Even foot problems...such as fallen metatarsal arches...can cause the foot to crease differently than before the foot problem began.

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post #8415 of 11241
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Meh, I think to some degree that school is thought is based more on aesthetics than any integrity issues, no?

If you feel like you have a good fit despite cautionary sentiments to the contrary, then yes, I'd say you're correct...there are few integrity issues associated with a crease that falls too far forward.

As far as the aesthetics is concerned, it's probably more an issue for shoemakers than for customers.
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