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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

 

It might not look that different in the pictures but there is significant difference between the results.  Shoe applied with Collonil Diamant does feel much more moist, very so slightly oily, and with deep luster that I've failed to capture.  Shoe applied with Saphir Renovateur appears to be shiny, polished, conditioned but yet slightly dry.  It's probably like facial care products; there are thicker creams that conditions better and there are thin and waterly creams that slightly conditions but does not leave a greasy touch.

 

I still have one and half cans of Renovatuer but I am now a convert to Collonil Diamant for conditioner.  But I am still sticking to Saphir M'dor for shoe creams.

You might be subjective... why don't you ask a 3rd party that does not know the details to give you their opinion on the shoes?

Then you might call it a Design of Experiments.

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Originally Posted by benhour View Post

Chogall i think you know that you are comparing 2 completely different products?

 

the Diamant product is a neutral shoe cream polish when Renovateur is  a conditioner with cleaning properties!! you can see that in action by applying both products with cotton cloth and after application looking at the surface of the cloth!

the Diamant by its definition (as a creme de lux) stays at the surface and make the surface of the shoe look really nice!! the renovateur on the other hand is getting deapply in the leather nourishing and conditioning it( because renovauter contains water makes the surface after evaporation looks slightly dry,and thats why is recommended to brush after about 3-5 minutes and then apply a cream polish! 15 minutes is extremely long time at my opinion ,waxes has already solidified and it is really hard to raise a dicent shine)

 

http://www.collonil.com/en/1909-leather-cream.html this is the nourishing-cleaning  cream of collonil for hi quality leathers! and for its perpuse is a really great stuff!!

 

i am using both products for long time , for me the best way is combining 1909leather cream and renovateur when you want a deap nourishing and conditioning!!

 

Yes they are two different products.  Diamant is shoe cream and Renovateur is cleaner + conditioner.  They could be two different but I was curious as Men's Ex had listed both for the conditioning part of the shoe care.  Besides, shoe cream should have some conditioning properties.

 

p.s., Don't know if you have access to

post #6603 of 10217
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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

Benhour, what's the difference between the Collonil Diamant cream and the the 1909 Supreme Creme de Luxe, apart from the price? I have been using the 1909 Supreme Creme de Luxe and think its excellent.  Also, it has very little smell. I haven't used the Diamant cream. Any thoughts you may have on the differences between these two products would be welcome. 

diamant was the previous  hi end polish cream of collonil!! the 1909 line is the leading line of Collonil at this time!

when 1909 line was first launched collonil stated that this line was launched  cause of a celebration(dint remember correctly but i think was for the 100years in the market)! they said that this line is improved at many points( shine and coloring  was the things they were promoting most and nourishing in the specified products) 

 

now what i have seen!!

diammant  has less pigments than 1909 creme(makes it better to use it on clothes-bags-furniture)!!

 

the shine result between them is quite the same with the 1909 shines a  little faster-better!(1909 has a more strong cedar oil smell)

 

 

 

btw diamant has a more jelly texture(cause of less oils are present there)

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Benhour, Thank you for your usual, informative response. It is much appreciated!

Munky

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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

 

Yes they are two different products.  Diamant is shoe cream and Renovateur is cleaner + conditioner.  They could be two different but I was curious as Men's Ex had listed both for the conditioning part of the shoe care.  Besides, shoe cream should have some conditioning properties.

 

p.s., Don't know if you have access to

yes i have seen somewhere before that listing from Men's EX mag(in a post  but excuse me i cant remember who have posted that) but i think they mabe a misunderstanding on that!!

 

''Besides, shoe cream should have some conditioning properties''  totally agree with that!!

 

''p.s., Don't know if you have access to''  my mistake i have to mention that i have these products , the way i wrote it leading to the conclusion that i used only the 1909 cream and renovateur and not diamant too!! i am sorry on that

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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

Benhour, Thank you for your usual, informative response. It is much appreciated!

Munky

 you welcome Munky ! always happy to help when i can do it in any way!!happy.gif

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Does anyone have experience of using arch support inserts? Some of my shoes (and trainers) have these inbuilt. Are there any problems to bear in mind when inserting a pair of arch support insoles in shoes that do not have them? I seem to have a case of over pronation. Does anyone else use these sorts of arch supports?  

 

I guess that when I win the lottery and get my shoes from John Lobb, they will build in this sort of feature.  

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I have a very high arch and instep, so far The only RTW shoes that have the arch support I need and accommodation for a high instep are st crispins.
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Chogal, where did you get your goat hair brushes? Also, I have noticed that new horsehair brushes are indeed very stiff and can muss a finish if your not careful. My 15 year old Kiwi brush over the years has softened beyond belief. It almost imparts the kind of finish that buffing with a soft cloth does. The only thing I use anymore, new horsehair brushes are like wire brushes compared to it. It even can get a good mirror shine with a drop of water.
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How can one tell if their shoe cream is bad? I put some on my shoes and it looks very pasty and hard to buff out.



Anyone have a picture or something that shows how much Renovatour they use? Three pea size dabs, as per instructions, don't seem to do it.
post #6611 of 10217

Is it just me, or when you apply saphir products (rennovateur, cream) to your shoes, do they seem to coat up in a dullish white, but look better once you buff it out? Just wondering if that's normal.

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Originally Posted by NeedStyleHelp View Post

Is it just me, or when you apply saphir products (rennovateur, cream) to your shoes, do they seem to coat up in a dullish white, but look better once you buff it out? Just wondering if that's normal.

Normal
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Normal

 

Thanks. 

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Originally Posted by gyasih View Post

How can one tell if their shoe cream is bad? I put some on my shoes and it looks very pasty and hard to buff out.



Anyone have a picture or something that shows how much Renovatour they use? Three pea size dabs, as per instructions, don't seem to do it.

Where did the pea size dabs instruction come from?
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