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Could you explain why/how renovateur would dry out the shell?  Would it also dry out regular cowhide leathers?  Curious since I have been using it periodically on a pair of my shell shoes and I would hate to be doing harm.

I think he's alluding to Renovateur having turpentine in it, which is supposedly bad for shell. 

Here's a good shell cordovan polishing guide by @hangerproject
 

https://www.hangerproject.com/shoe-care-guide/polishing-shell-cordovan/
Funny part is they say you can use the renovateur on all shoes including shell. Check out today's IG post for sapphire lol
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I think he's alluding to Renovateur having turpentine in it, which is supposedly bad for shell. 

 

Here's a good shell cordovan polishing guide by @hangerproject 

 

https://www.hangerproject.com/shoe-care-guide/polishing-shell-cordovan/

Thanks for that!

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Funny part is they say you can use the renovateur on all shoes including shell. Check out today's IG post for sapphire lol

 

Yup, the hanger project guide uses renovateur as well. A lot of people recommend Venetian Shoe Cream, but that supposedly has a strong smell of turpentine. 

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Funny part is they say you can use the renovateur on all shoes including shell. Check out today's IG post for sapphire lol

Yup, the hanger project guide uses renovateur as well. A lot of people recommend Venetian Shoe Cream, but that supposedly has a strong smell of turpentine. 
I feel light coat has no harm at least on gg.
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From what I have read, over the years, on this site (and from smelling it!), Renovateur does not contain turpentine. 

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I feel light coat has no harm at least on gg.

I buy and sell a lot of vintage Shell Cordovan shoes. At least 50+ pairs. I have cleaned and conditioned all of them using various products. Over the years I have read a lot of threads on cleaning and conditioning and often times the information is contradictory. Some say Renovateur is great and others bad. Same thing with VSC. Or wax. Or creams. But most of the time people make statements without backing up their assertion. I say "photos or it didn't happen". 

 

So the Hanger Project guide is very credible. I would use their advice. Their Step #1 is my general recommendation as well. Damp cloth with a good brushing will make Shell great again (I got that line from somewhere).

 

Here is my experience with a few products:

  • Venetian Shoe Cream - this is generally my goto product for regular conditioning and cleaning. I have seen no long term issues with shoes I personally own using VSC
  • Alden Cordovan Wax - I am not a fan of this product. Too heavy
  • Saphir Reno'Mat - Its like a Superfund site in a bottle but it does a great job removing old wax and crud from Shell
  • Lexol NF - I use this on very old Shell (25 years+). Penetrates the leather well. Will darken the Shell a bit
  • Allen Edmonds Cordovan Cream - This is my favorite product for a shine but use a tiny, tiny amount of it and work it into the leather. Shoe will be sticky if you use too much
  • Saphir Renovateur - smells great. Works well. I like VSC better though
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In a discussion I once had with Nick Horween I asked Him what His favorite products were that He uses on His skins. He told me VSC and Saph. Reno. Happens to be they were and are my favorite 2 products as well.
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I buy and sell a lot of vintage Shell Cordovan shoes. At least 50+ pairs. I have cleaned and conditioned all of them using various products. Over the years I have read a lot of threads on cleaning and conditioning and often times the information is contradictory. Some say Renovateur is great and others bad. Same thing with VSC. Or wax. Or creams. But most of the time people make statements without backing up their assertion. I say "photos or it didn't happen". 

 

So the Hanger Project guide is very credible. I would use their advice. Their Step #1 is my general recommendation as well. Damp cloth with a good brushing will make Shell great again (I got that line from somewhere).

 

Here is my experience with a few products:

  • Venetian Shoe Cream - this is generally my goto product for regular conditioning and cleaning. I have seen no long term issues with shoes I personally own using VSC
  • Alden Cordovan Wax - I am not a fan of this product. Too heavy
  • Saphir Reno'Mat - Its like a Superfund site in a bottle but it does a great job removing old wax and crud from Shell
  • Lexol NF - I use this on very old Shell (25 years+). Penetrates the leather well. Will darken the Shell a bit
  • Allen Edmonds Cordovan Cream - This is my favorite product for a shine but use a tiny, tiny amount of it and work it into the leather. Shoe will be sticky if you use too much
  • Saphir Renovateur - smells great. Works well. I like VSC better though

 

When I got mine the SA (who is amazing in every other respect) said "AE recommend using the dauber with the cordovan cream."  I politely said, "OK, sure."  But in my mind I was saying, "WFT!!!! that thing is HUGE!!!!."  

 

Less is more.

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In a discussion I once had with Nick Horween I asked Him what His favorite products were that He uses on His skins. He told me VSC and Saph. Reno. Happens to be they were and are my favorite 2 products as well.

 

When I was at Horween a year and a half ago, I asked Nick if he's ever used Bick 4 on shells. He said he hadn't heard of it but that he would give it a try and get a bottle. I'm curious what his thoughts are on it now. I personally am a Bick 4 + VSC guy.

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Clearly renovatuer is fine for cleaning shells, as many folks far more knowledgeable than I have pointed out. It's not gonna make the leather explode or disintegrate.

I don't know the chemistry. I just know my experience with shell from AE and Carmina (have not tried it on my alden shell).

Reno seems to me to be more of a cleaner than a conditioner. It gets off gunk, Polish, stain, etc. also some of the fatty shell goodness that the leather expresses, giving it a lovely gloss. When I have used Reno on the leather, I found it quite dry afterwards, even after working hard to buff off the Reno (which can leave a film). I don't notice the leather absorbing the stuff the way it dies Lexol, Buck 4, and Saphir cordovan cream.

I personally have had much better results with a damp cloth and brush. Deerbone for scuffs. Saphir cordovan cream once or twice a year when it starts to look funky.

I have observed everyone seems to have their own methods, though. So definitely put more stock in pros like NickV and NickH than me. Also MDubs' site aldenofsandiego.com has some good pictorials. His methods are slightly different than mine but his shoes always look great!
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I always thought that one of the attractions of Cordovan leather was how robust it was, it would then seem odd that the products used on a more delicate leather would be unsuitable, or that would be my looking at this in black and white opinion?

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Well, the difference is that shell cordovan is not a leather, but a membrane, so products might have different effects on shell than regular leather.
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Does anyone have a recommendation for which Saphir Cream to use on Lobb Chestnut Misty calf? If there is no perfect match, I'd prefer to go slightly darker.
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Hello everyone. I've just bought a horsehair brush and a jar of Saphir MDO Pommadier shoes cream color black for my dress shoes.

 


Picture: This is my first Oxford.

 

Next, I am going to buy a pair of lasted shoe tree in couple of months. However, what makes me wonder is that whether it is necessary to add Saphir Renovateur into my basic shoe care kit ? I know Renovateur can nourish and condition leather but even MDO shoes cream can nourish leather too? If I buy, should I buy Saphir Renovateur (jar) or Saphir MDO lotion (bottle) ? Both are conditioner but I don't know which is suitable for my shoes only?
 

Asking about when to nourish, I think once  per one or two weeks is okay for me after 2 or 3 wears with shoe cream. And for Saphir conditioner product, maybe one ore two months is all right? 

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I'm wondering if anyone has experience of having a pair of GYW suede shoes that have been resoled and refurbished?

 

There seems to be no shortage of information and videos online about leather shoes that have been resoled, put back on their original last and been refurbished to near new condition but I can't seem to find anything for suede.

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