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My feet tend to get hot and sweaty with little provocation. Any sort of plast, rubber, or artificial fibers seem exacerbate the problem.

My narrow, low-volume, long arch feet mean I sometimes end up with footwear that could benefit from inserts. Also, some foot pain issues I have seem to benefit from inserts at times.

My question is: "What inserts help to keep footwear from feeling warmer?"

Rubber/plastic/acrylic don't seem great...

Thick pieces of leather? Could I just buy some veg-tanned stuff and trim it to size?

Some people claim wool (as in felt) keeps feet warm in winter and cool in summer, is this true?

What about cork?

Some type of thick cotton?
post #18107 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post

My feet tend to get hot and sweaty with little provocation. Any sort of plast, rubber, or artificial fibers seem exacerbate the problem.

My narrow, low-volume, long arch feet mean I sometimes end up with footwear that could benefit from inserts. Also, some foot pain issues I have seem to benefit from inserts at times.

My question is: "What inserts help to keep footwear from feeling warmer?"

Rubber/plastic/acrylic don't seem great...

Thick pieces of leather? Could I just buy some veg-tanned stuff and trim it to size?

Some people claim wool (as in felt) keeps feet warm in winter and cool in summer, is this true?

What about cork?

Some type of thick cotton?


My feet get sweaty when I wear cotton socks, but they stay remarkably nice and dry in Thorlo Boot Socks.  Though, those are probably not the best option for dress shoes.

post #18108 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post

My feet tend to get hot and sweaty with little provocation. Any sort of plast, rubber, or artificial fibers seem exacerbate the problem.

My narrow, low-volume, long arch feet mean I sometimes end up with footwear that could benefit from inserts. Also, some foot pain issues I have seem to benefit from inserts at times.

My question is: "What inserts help to keep footwear from feeling warmer?"

Rubber/plastic/acrylic don't seem great...

Thick pieces of leather? Could I just buy some veg-tanned stuff and trim it to size?

Some people claim wool (as in felt) keeps feet warm in winter and cool in summer, is this true?

What about cork?

Some type of thick cotton?

Bamboo.
post #18109 of 19038
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

Bamboo.

Have you tried bamboo insoles? Do you know of any specific good examples? Are they thick enough to take up some volume in the footwear?

Thanks so much!
post #18110 of 19038

Buy shoes that fits.  If that fails, visit your local cobblers to make shoes fit.

 

Or google for insole products.

post #18111 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post

My feet tend to get hot and sweaty with little provocation. Any sort of plast, rubber, or artificial fibers seem exacerbate the problem. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
My narrow, low-volume, long arch feet mean I sometimes end up with footwear that could benefit from inserts. Also, some foot pain issues I have seem to benefit from inserts at times.

My question is: "What inserts help to keep footwear from feeling warmer?"

Rubber/plastic/acrylic don't seem great...

Thick pieces of leather? Could I just buy some veg-tanned stuff and trim it to size?

Some people claim wool (as in felt) keeps feet warm in winter and cool in summer, is this true?

What about cork?

Some type of thick cotton?


This is where breathabilty really becomes an issue. there is no plastic rubber, foam rubber, neoprene or cork that will breathe--that will wick moisture away from your feet. Adding rubber insoles or rubber outsoles will only exacerbate the problem.

Cotton socks will wick water away from the foot. But then it has to have a place to go. Inserts such as neoprene stymie the benefits of the cotton. I try to wear nothing but cotton but even expensive hose is "filled" with acrylics and nylon, etc..
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

Buy shoes that fits.  If that fails, visit your local cobblers to make shoes fit.

I don't know how that makes any sense. Cobblers are not shoemakers...generally speaking...they are repairmen--a noble enough trade but not to be confused with actually making. A cobbler ...esp. one who has never made a shoe...has only minimal insight into how a shoe should fit. Talk to them about heel to ball length or heel seat / treadline width and you're likely to get blank looks. Nor can a cobbler make a shoe fit.

If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit and there is little that can be done to make it fit. Any attempt...any attempt...to make it fit is almost certainly going to be a kludge.

edited for punctuation and clarity
Edited by DWFII - 4/14/16 at 5:54am
post #18112 of 19038
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

[/SPOILER]

This is where breathabilty really becomes an issue. there is no plastic rubber, foam rubber, neoprene or cork that will breathe--that will wick moisture away from your feet. Adding rubber insoles or rubber outsoles will only exacerbate the problem.

Cotton socks will wick water away fro the foot. But then it has to have a place to go. Inserts such as neoprene stymie the benefits of the cotton. I try to wear nothing but cotton but even expensive hose is "filled with acrylics and nylon, etc..

How about just a thick slab of vegetable tanned leather? Would "shoulder" be the thing to ask for? 6-9 oz. in weight/thickness?
post #18113 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post

How about just a thick slab of vegetable tanned leather? Would "shoulder" be the thing to ask for? 6-9 oz. in weight/thickness?

If you must...yes. The thickness will be dependent on how much fill you need to make a "fit" that will never be a fit.
post #18114 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post

How about just a thick slab of vegetable tanned leather? Would "shoulder" be the thing to ask for? 6-9 oz. in weight/thickness?

We do this often. It's effective.
We won't do this type of alteration through the mail because it may require a few fittings to get it best as possible.
post #18115 of 19038
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

If you must...yes. The thickness will be dependent on how much fill you need to make a "fit" that will never be a fit.

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Originally Posted by Nick V. View Post

We do this often. It's effective.
We won't do this type of alteration through the mail because it may require a few fittings to get it best as possible.

Gentlemen, thank you for your help!
post #18116 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post


Gentlemen, thank you for your help!

Just so you understand...when you last a shoe, the unchangeable and unchanging foundation is the insole. It is formed and trimmed to the last before the shoe is lasted. Everything else must conform to it.

And because it is a relatively thick and hard piece of leather it cannot subsequently be changed in any significant or non-destructive way. The insole controls and determines where your foot "seats" itself in the shoe. How the arch is supported or not and where the foot flexes relative to the "joint" of th efoot.

There is something in shoemaking we call the "orange peel" effect. Imagine an orange...it has a circumference that is fixed. If you peel the orange that circumference no longer applies and in fact the orange is bigger around with its skin than without.

The same is true when you add an insert of any kind into the shoe. Measurements in every direction are affected. The heel to ball measurement is changed it becomes longer, in effect, and your foot can no longer seat itself in the same place or position as when the insert is not there. Girths are reduced, toe clearance is reduced. The ability of the heel stiffener to cup your heel is reduced.

Some of these are marginal and perhaps relatively bearable.

But if the shoe fit you anywhere close to correct in length adding an insert can damage the foot as surely as stepping on a nail but more insidiously--over a longer and more permanent span of time.

Just be aware / wary / informed--the measure of intelligence is not how much you know (or think you know) but how much you want to know.
post #18117 of 19038
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

This is where breathabilty really becomes an issue. there is no plastic rubber, foam rubber, neoprene or cork that will breathe--that will wick moisture away from your feet. Adding rubber insoles or rubber outsoles will only exacerbate the problem.

Cotton socks will wick water away from the foot. But then it has to have a place to go. Inserts such as neoprene stymie the benefits of the cotton. I try to wear nothing but cotton but even expensive hose is "filled" with acrylics and nylon, etc..

I don't know how that makes any sense. Cobblers are not shoemakers...generally speaking...they are repairmen--a noble enough trade but not to be confused with actually making. A cobbler ...esp. one who has never made a shoe...has only minimal insight into how a shoe should fit. Talk to them about heel to ball length or heel seat / treadline width and you're likely to get blank looks. Nor can a cobbler make a shoe fit. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit and there is little that can be done to make it fit. Any attempt...any attempt...to make it fit is almost certainly going to be a kludge.

edited for punctuation and clarity

 

No one is asking a cobbler to make a pair of shoes here but to adjust the fit via different tricks from their tool bags. 

 

Shoemaking experience is not required to know if a pair of shoes fit.  Nor a C.Ped. certification excluding the cases for prescriptions.

 

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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


[/SPOILER]

This is where breathabilty really becomes an issue. there is no plastic rubber, foam rubber, neoprene or cork that will breathe--that will wick moisture away from your feet. Adding rubber insoles or rubber outsoles will only exacerbate the problem.

Cotton socks will wick water away from the foot. But then it has to have a place to go. Inserts such as neoprene stymie the benefits of the cotton. I try to wear nothing but cotton but even expensive hose is "filled" with acrylics and nylon, etc..
I don't know how that makes any sense. Cobblers are not shoemakers...generally speaking...they are repairmen--a noble enough trade but not to be confused with actually making. A cobbler ...esp. one who has never made a shoe...has only minimal insight into how a shoe should fit. Talk to them about heel to ball length or heel seat / treadline width and you're likely to get blank looks. Nor can a cobbler make a shoe fit.

If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit and there is little that can be done to make it fit. Any attempt...any attempt...to make it fit is almost certainly going to be a kludge.

edited for punctuation and clarity

 

There's always something that could be done.  Always.  But its better to get shoes that fit in the first place.

post #18118 of 19038
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Just so you understand...when you last a shoe, the unchangeable and unchanging foundation is the insole. It is formed and trimmed to the last before the shoe is lasted. Everything else must conform to it.

And because it is a relatively thick and hard piece of leather it cannot subsequently be changed in any significant or non-destructive way. The insole controls and determines where your foot "seats" itself in the shoe. How the arch is supported or not and where the foot flexes relative to the "joint" of th efoot.

There is something in shoemaking we call the "orange peel" effect. Imagine an orange...it has a circumference that is fixed. If you peel the orange that circumference no longer applies and in fact the orange is bigger around with its skin than without.

The same is true when you add an insert of any kind into the shoe. Measurements in every direction are affected. The heel to ball measurement is changed it becomes longer, in effect, and your foot can no longer seat itself in the same place or position as when the insert is not there. Girths are reduced, toe clearance is reduced. The ability of the heel stiffener to cup your heel is reduced.

Some of these are marginal and perhaps relatively bearable.

But if the shoe fit you anywhere close to correct in length adding an insert can damage the foot as surely as stepping on a nail but more insidiously--over a longer and more permanent span of time.

Just be aware / wary / informed--the measure of intelligence is not how much you know (or think you know) but how much you want to know.


Thank you for describing all of this for me, as well as other thread readers. I have no good reason for doing anything other than learn and save my pennies for a bit to buy a bespoke pair of shoes or boots.
post #18119 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post

Thank you for describing all of this for me, as well as other thread readers. I have no good reason for doing anything other than learn and save my pennies for a bit to buy a bespoke pair of shoes or boots.

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Any suggestions how to remove this Sharpie name that someone wrote on these nearly new AE's?
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