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Originally Posted by ugachilds View Post

Hello All,

First of all, thank you to everyone for all of the information on this thread.  I've been spending time for the last week reading through it starting both from the beginning of the thread and also backwards from the end to get the newer information.  Very interesting and helpful.

I've recently started to purchase higher quality shoes and want to care for them well.  I believe that I have the basics of a good shine understood at this point and am simply waiting for my supplies to arrive.  However, I have a pair that I'm a bit concerned about.  I have only worn them 4-5 times and always use shoe trees with them.  I've not done much at all with them since they are new and I had never done anything like this with shoes before so I started with just a coat of AE premium leather conditioner and a single coat of AE Black Premium Shoe Polish.  I've since ordered some Reno, Dubbin, and Saphir Wax along with a few other things.  Both shoes are starting to develop some significant creasing with the right shoe showing much more than the left shoe.  I will post pics of both.  Again, I'm quite new to the world of nicer shoes, but the fit seems great with these - not too long, perhaps a touch wide.  I'm an 11.5 EEE.  The 11 EEE was too short, the 11.5 E was too narrow, and there is no 11.5 EE on this shoe.  Seems to fit just right, but most everything I've read with this type of creasing indicates that the fit might not be right.  Perhaps I need to condition them more?

Any suggestions?  Thanks!






I would ease up on the products. The other voices in this thread are right: the shoe does not fit you.

I know what brand and model you bought, and it seems the last that the shoe was built on is just not right for your foot type. It's a fairly generous last with a high vamp and instep. Despite a reasonable fit in 2 dimensions (length plus width), the shoe is too "deep" for you. I would recommend a different model built to accommodate a "low volume" foot (my feet seem to be similar in shape to yours).
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Thank you all for the feedback. Sounds like creasing in general is normal, but this creasing might be so pronounced due to poor fit. Points well taken, they feel great on my foot, but I see what you are saying about fit being more than just length and width. May just be a bad last for my foot.

I was not impressed with the sales associate and will likely not go back based on this feedback. He kept telling me that I was confusing to him because I was trying on many styles and, on the same last, some styles fit and some did not. He made me feel silly, but after reading more in places like this forum I see that I was right and that this is common. Lesson learned I suppose.

Thanks again for the replies. Great thread!
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How can you all tell that those shoes don't fit right?  All I can see is some creasing on the vamp.  What else are you seeing?

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There's really all kinds of indications. But the main ones are, as has been mentioned several times, that the facings are too close together.

More importantly, there is excess in the forepart and instep that has yet to be drawn up. And, as I said in a previous post, that causes a lengthwise crease...over the ball of the foot and under the tongue:

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Have any of you experienced leather stretching over time on new shoes when the shoe tree is put in and left for a while without wearing them? I'm not sure whether I should leave them without trees until I pop their cherry as I'm scared it could cause unneccessary pressure on the leather. They actually fit like a glove but paranoia.. 

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Two tins of 100mL Saphir Wax on Massdrop for ~32 with shipping. 

 

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/saphir-wax-polish

 

Go crazy, forum. 

post #17647 of 19050
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Originally Posted by ugachilds View Post

Thank you all for the feedback. Sounds like creasing in general is normal, but this creasing might be so pronounced due to poor fit. Points well taken, they feel great on my foot, but I see what you are saying about fit being more than just length and width. May just be a bad last for my foot.

I was not impressed with the sales associate and will likely not go back based on this feedback. He kept telling me that I was confusing to him because I was trying on many styles and, on the same last, some styles fit and some did not. He made me feel silly, but after reading more in places like this forum I see that I was right and that this is common. Lesson learned I suppose.

Thanks again for the replies. Great thread!

 

If you can't return or sell them and would like to still keep them serviceable, consider a thin insole to compensate for the extra volume in the shoe.

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And a tongue pad as well.....
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Originally Posted by Cordohan View Post
 

Have any of you experienced leather stretching over time on new shoes when the shoe tree is put in and left for a while without wearing them? I'm not sure whether I should leave them without trees until I pop their cherry as I'm scared it could cause unneccessary pressure on the leather. They actually fit like a glove but paranoia.. 

 

Your trees are too big, probably.  I don't think there is any reason for significant tension in trees.  

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Originally Posted by Cordohan View Post
 

Have any of you experienced leather stretching over time on new shoes when the shoe tree is put in and left for a while without wearing them? I'm not sure whether I should leave them without trees until I pop their cherry as I'm scared it could cause unneccessary pressure on the leather. They actually fit like a glove but paranoia.. 

 

You would want to use trees when they are part of your regular rotation. If you are storing them brand new even though they fit like a glove (it's your money, who am I to judge) storing them without trees might be best

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Shoe trees don't stretch leather shoes if they are of the right size.
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Thank you all for your answers, appreciate it. I was referring to the tree's fit which - at least to me - seems spot on. It's double sized 42/43 with the boots being a 8,5 on a C&J 360 last. I would wear them immediately but they are not suited for the current weather unfortunately, hence the storing for a little while.

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Looking for advice on a deerbone. I've had mine for about 3 years and it seemed to work. Lately I've changed my shoe care regimen and haven't used it much. However, I just picked up a pair of shells with some significant creasing and decided to reintroduce the bone to my regimen. Didn't seem to make any difference.

My question is whether the recuperative powers of a deerbone degrade or wear out over time? Or if it really even works at all?
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What are you trying to accomplish with a deer bone? I know ...you want to smooth the creases. But how is that happening? What does a deer bone bring to the game that a cow bone doesn't? Or a spoon for that matter? Or even a piece of boxwood?

When the shoes are new, any smooth object will seem to diminish the creases, but all you're really doing is compressing the leather and maybe moving the grain surface slightly. As the shoes are worn and the creases set...and polish and conditioners build up on the leather...there comes a limit to what can be changed. And if the shoes are not immaculately clean when the bone or spoon or wood is used, you're just driving the grit into the grain. Especially if the bone is "leaking oils" of some sort.

In my opinion the whole concept is magical thinking.

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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

What are you trying to accomplish with a deer bone? I know ...you want to smooth the creases. But how is that happening? What does a deer bone bring to the game that a cow bone doesn't? Or a spoon for that matter? Or even a piece of boxwood?

When the shoes are new, any smooth object will seem to diminish the creases, but all you're really doing is compressing the leather and maybe moving the grain surface slightly. As the shoes are worn and the creases set...and polish and conditioners build up on the leather...there comes a limit to what can be changed. And if the shoes are not immaculately clean when the bone or spoon or wood is used, you're just driving the grit into the grain. Especially if the bone is "leaking oils" of some sort.

In my opinion the whole concept is magical thinking.

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Smoothing creases is a part of it, but not necessarily remving them. I'm not fanatical about them so perfection is not the goal. The concept always seemed a little crazy to me but when I got into the shell game I was so raw and getting varying opinions from all over the place. When I tried the deerbone, it seemed to work, but to your point and looking back on it, I'm not so sure that it was anything magical about the bone. Hence the reason for my question.

Could be magical thinking, but if it is, it sure seems to have fooled a lot of smart people.
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