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Hello All,

 

First of all, thank you to everyone for all of the information on this thread.  I've been spending time for the last week reading through it starting both from the beginning of the thread and also backwards from the end to get the newer information.  Very interesting and helpful.

 

I've recently started to purchase higher quality shoes and want to care for them well.  I believe that I have the basics of a good shine understood at this point and am simply waiting for my supplies to arrive.  However, I have a pair that I'm a bit concerned about.  I have only worn them 4-5 times and always use shoe trees with them.  I've not done much at all with them since they are new and I had never done anything like this with shoes before so I started with just a coat of AE premium leather conditioner and a single coat of AE Black Premium Shoe Polish.  I've since ordered some Reno, Dubbin, and Saphir Wax along with a few other things.  Both shoes are starting to develop some significant creasing with the right shoe showing much more than the left shoe.  I will post pics of both.  Again, I'm quite new to the world of nicer shoes, but the fit seems great with these - not too long, perhaps a touch wide.  I'm an 11.5 EEE.  The 11 EEE was too short, the 11.5 E was too narrow, and there is no 11.5 EE on this shoe.  Seems to fit just right, but most everything I've read with this type of creasing indicates that the fit might not be right.  Perhaps I need to condition them more?

 

Any suggestions?  Thanks!

 

 

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I think you shoud not baby much those new shoes.  The creasing, wich is normal, comes from a bad fit IMO.  Your shoes are too wide at the waist and ball of the foot.  I might be wrong, of course.

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 I've since ordered some Reno, Dubbin, and Saphir Wax along with a few other things.  Both shoes are starting to develop some significant creasing with the right shoe showing much more than the left shoe
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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post

I think you shoud not baby much those new shoes.  The creasing, wich is normal, comes from a bad fit IMO.  Your shoes are too wide at the waist and ball of the foot.  I might be wrong, of course.

You do not need Dubbin for those shoes. I think Zapasman is right. The creasing in the vamp of course is normal creasing that any shoe will have, but your right shoe has some creasing by the lacing that suggests that the lacing is pulled tighter there than the pattern allowed for. The laces seem awfully close together there for a derby.
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Hello All,

First of all, thank you to everyone for all of the information on this thread.  I've been spending time for the last week reading through it starting both from the beginning of the thread and also backwards from the end to get the newer information.  Very interesting and helpful.

I've recently started to purchase higher quality shoes and want to care for them well.  I believe that I have the basics of a good shine understood at this point and am simply waiting for my supplies to arrive.  However, I have a pair that I'm a bit concerned about.  I have only worn them 4-5 times and always use shoe trees with them.  I've not done much at all with them since they are new and I had never done anything like this with shoes before so I started with just a coat of AE premium leather conditioner and a single coat of AE Black Premium Shoe Polish.  I've since ordered some Reno, Dubbin, and Saphir Wax along with a few other things.  Both shoes are starting to develop some significant creasing with the right shoe showing much more than the left shoe.  I will post pics of both.  Again, I'm quite new to the world of nicer shoes, but the fit seems great with these - not too long, perhaps a touch wide.  I'm an 11.5 EEE.  The 11 EEE was too short, the 11.5 E was too narrow, and there is no 11.5 EE on this shoe.  Seems to fit just right, but most everything I've read with this type of creasing indicates that the fit might not be right.  Perhaps I need to condition them more?

Any suggestions?  Thanks!






I suggest getting shoetree or newspaper again and leaving the shoes for a little longer (week or so?) to let the creases straighten out. You can try using Saphir Renovateur, which is basically a neutral leather conditioner to give the leather some more nutrients and help it get the best shape.

If the shoes came straight outta the box, I'm sure to agree with my fellow members you replied to you before me wink.gif unfortunately, there may not be much you can do with it except what I suggested smile.gif I hope that helps wink.gif

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PS...on insoles and linings Bick4 is the very thing.

 

It never appeared to me to condition the insoles and linings. How often should this be done? Thanks.

post #17631 of 19038
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It never appeared to me to condition the insoles and linings. How often should this be done? Thanks.

Lightly, every 4-6 months?
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The best you can do with those creases is put in a shoe tree for a week or two, apply Saphir renovateur two or three times throughout that time. That will condition the leather and give it its nutrients. Whether that will remove the wrinkles, I don't know, but it should help prevent further wrinkling ;)


Edited by smerf - 1/30/16 at 2:58pm
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The best you can do with those creases is put in a shoe tree for a week or two, apply Saphir renovateur two or three times throughout that time. That will condition the leather and give it its nutrients. Whether that will remove the wrinkles, I don't know, but it should help prevent further wrinkling ;)

 

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I don't know much, but this sounds fairly wrong.

post #17634 of 19038
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I don't know much, but this sounds fairly wrong.

Why? smile.gif
post #17635 of 19038
Wow those are really bad creases. Not sure the shoe can be saved at this point.

Were you kneeling in them a lot?
post #17636 of 19038
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Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post


You do not need Dubbin for those shoes. I think Zapasman is right. The creasing in the vamp of course is normal creasing that any shoe will have, but your right shoe has some creasing by the lacing that suggests that the lacing is pulled tighter there than the pattern allowed for. The laces seem awfully close together there for a derby.

What's wrong with the lacing?

All my derbies are pulled together that close.
post #17637 of 19038
No, not kneeling at all. I've only worn them 4-5 times, put trees in them immediately, and have tried to be quite careful with them. Really not sure what to think at this point.
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post #17639 of 19038
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Originally Posted by ugachilds View Post


I've recently started to purchase higher quality shoes and want to care for them well.  

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Any suggestions?  Thanks!

IMO, Zapasman is correct--the shoes do not fit you. Don't shoot the messenger.

The facings are too close together and will only get closer with wear.

And while it is true that creasing is normal, creasing that runs lengthwise under and parallel to the facings is not. This is esp. apparent on the right shoe but the left is just as bad, even if it is not as noticeable in the photo.

I don't know where you bought these or what brand they are (and I don't want to know) but it is unconscionable that the salesman allowed you to walk out the door with such a poor fit. Really.
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

I used Lexol on shoes and boots I made for years. It's a good product. I think it has more water in it than Bick4. When I discovered Bick4 I knew immediately (by feel) that it was going to be my "go to".

I would not use Lexol-nf (homogenized neatsfoot) on dress shoes. It is oily...although less so than regular neatsfoot. But on oil stuffed leather or saddles, harness etc., once a year wouldn't hurt.

PS...on insoles and linings Bick4 is the very thing.

Hi DWF,

Thank you so much for that piece of information. I'll probably use up my Lexol and Lexol-NF before I move on to Bick4 (still have at least 60oz for both combined)

I've been using the NF more than the original as it seemed to darken leather less than the original version.
With the new input, I'll probably use the Lexol-NF on my bridle leather stuff while keeping the original formula for my insoles and lining then.

Cheers!
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