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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post


nah not what i was talking about.

After cleaning with sapphir reno, everything looks great then i walk around in the boot and the creased areas where i make the step get a dusting effect due to the wax breaking. I am looking to avoid that but want to be able to cover the scratches as well.

I usually do not use waxes.  Whenever I need to cover scratches (not often)  I usually use a little bit of wax/paste polish with high content in pigments.  Do not know any magical waxy product that avoids that dusting effect and covers the scratches at the same time.  Sorry not to help you.

post #17567 of 19067
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post


nah not what i was talking about.

After cleaning with sapphir reno, everything looks great then i walk around in the boot and the creased areas where i make the step get a dusting effect due to the wax breaking. I am looking to avoid that but want to be able to cover the scratches as well.

 Use a paste polish or wax with the same color(or slightly darker) as the pair of  shoes you have!! then the dusting problem wont occur !

post #17568 of 19067
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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

I have always understood that you should match your socks with your pants. Mr Vass, in his authoritative book on shoe making, writes of matching your shoes with your socks.

I believe the "correct" answer is to match your trousers as this has the visual effect of lengthening the leg. Personally, I usually match neither devil.gif
post #17569 of 19067
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Originally Posted by benhour View Post

 Use a paste polish or wax with the same color(or slightly darker) as the pair of  shoes you have!! then the dusting problem wont occur !

im not into waxing shoe my man, never liked the effect. i don't like sleek shine either.
post #17570 of 19067

^If you use Renovateur, you wax your shoes.  Don´t you?

post #17571 of 19067
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post

Hey guys,

i have a question... similar to one i asked previously. Sapphir renovator leaves a dusting effect on my boots when i use it to condition/clean (happens after a little wear). After much conversation here i switched to otter wax leather oil which did the trick.

What i miss about saphir is the fact that it covered up scratches pretty well on my horse boots. Is there something i can use to condition/clean that leaves no dusting effect after wear and covers scratches well?

That's very odd. Maybe you're using too much, or leaving it on too long before brushing.

Anyway, usually something that cleans is not going to cover up scuffs, and neither is something that conditions. For that, you will need a color matching polish. Renovateur may be helping in that regard by redistributing existing color and finish over the scuff.

I've simplified my routine significantly over the years:
  • Clean, damp cloth wipedown after every wear, followed by brushing.
  • Lexol for conditioning.
  • Cream polish all over, if applicable, and paste wax on the toe and heel.
post #17572 of 19067
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Originally Posted by gsgleason View Post

That's very odd. Maybe you're using too much, or leaving it on too long before brushing.

Anyway, usually something that cleans is not going to cover up scuffs, and neither is something that conditions. For that, you will need a color matching polish. Renovateur may be helping in that regard by redistributing existing color and finish over the scuff.

I've simplified my routine significantly over the years:
  • Clean, damp cloth wipedown after every wear, followed by brushing.
  • Lexol for conditioning.
  • Cream polish all over, if applicable, and paste wax on the toe and heel.

what i do
Clean, damp cloth wipedown
conditioner (otter wax oil or saphir reno)
let dry for few mins (1-2)
brush
post #17573 of 19067
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post

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Originally Posted by gsgleason View Post

That's very odd. Maybe you're using too much, or leaving it on too long before brushing.

Anyway, usually something that cleans is not going to cover up scuffs, and neither is something that conditions. For that, you will need a color matching polish. Renovateur may be helping in that regard by redistributing existing color and finish over the scuff.

I've simplified my routine significantly over the years:
  • Clean, damp cloth wipedown after every wear, followed by brushing.
  • Lexol for conditioning.
  • Cream polish all over, if applicable, and paste wax on the toe and heel.

what i do
Clean, damp cloth wipedown
conditioner (otter wax oil or saphir reno)
let dry for few mins (1-2)
brush

How often do you use the conditioner?
post #17574 of 19067
ad-hoc when i feel i need to clean
post #17575 of 19067

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post #17577 of 19067
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Originally Posted by cbfn View Post

VSC is not a conditioner, more like shoe cream as it name states. You can read more here:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/333578/ingredients-in-venetian-shoe-cream

and here:

http://oldleathershoe.com/wordpress/?cat=3

If you want a TL;DR: DFW recommends Bick4, that's basically the best endorsement you can get.

 

I had come across that VSC thread during my search. Sounds like nobody knows the definitive answer, and it's made all the more confusing that Horween recommends VSC for CXL. The oldleathershoe website is very interesting. I browsed through most of it, and it does give some good pointers.

 

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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post

@Darkside.

1. No waxes
2. Oils really penetrates in the leather.
3. It really conditions and smooths the leather.

 

I may just end up with Bick4. I actually had never heard of it; the shoe care products I always hear about are VSC and Saphir Renovateur. 

 

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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post
 

^If you use Renovateur, you wax your shoes.  Don´t you?

 

 

This confuses me as well, as I thought the purpose of a "cleaner" was to remove extra residue from a shoe.

 

This may be helpful to not just me, but others as well.

 

For someone building a shoe maintenance kit from scratch, what basic products would you need?

 

 

 

Currently, I am at:

 

Horsehair brush

Cotton cloths for application of products and buffing

Conditioner/Cleaner: Bick4

Cream/polish: VSC

post #17578 of 19067
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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

I don't want to be seen as a brown noser, but I have learned almost all I know about shoe care from this site. With thanks and kind regards, Munky. 

As with most things, I think messing around with any part of your footwear offers more opportunity for poor results than better ones. I did an experiment a while back oiling some soles and leaving others alone. The left alone ones lasted longer. I just attribute it to the oils softening the leather. Walking on softer leather probably just makes it wear faster. I mean, it makes sense to me. The only time I would really oil soles if you're going to do it at all is after they get wet and you've let them dry. I'd also do it sparingly.
post #17579 of 19067

Thanks for that, Patrick.

post #17580 of 19067
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post


im not into waxing shoe my man, never liked the effect. i don't like sleek shine either.

  Renovateur has bees wax in it (not a very big amount but it has) that's why you see the dusting effect (f.... i created a shoe care term hahahahah:bigstar:)!! the  bees wax brake off and creating the dust you see in creases or where the shoe flexes (less noticeable on tan shoes)!

 

  All conditioners more or less produce this dusting effect! The conditioners that dont produce so much dusting effect are the 1909  leather lotion from Colonil and lexol (i have never used bick4 though )

 On the other hand you can use dubbin but its quit difficult in handling (no to lees noticeable dusting effect)

i hope i helped a little bit!:happy: 

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