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post #15901 of 19076
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Originally Posted by PCK1 View Post

Travers was indeed passionate about shoe care. But that does not excuse how offensive he became...and that sort of behavior is not passion. 

Come on...with all due respect...don't insult our intelligence. It never occurred to you all that comparing him to David Copeland over and over again might be offensive to him? Even after he told you it was offensive? Way early as I recall.

Man up, aye?

Or, at least, let it go.
post #15902 of 19076
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Originally Posted by rbhan12 View Post

PatrickBooth, are you a chemist or knowledgable in chemistry? I'm curious how you've come to learn to keep the pH of leather "in check", and why to use vinegar and water to bring the pH "back down" after walking on a salted sidewalk or road.

Perhaps you can explain to another chemist with a degree from a top 10 American university in greater detail.
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All these non chemists talking about pH is hilarious. So much wrong knowledge flying around here.

You've basically made this comment twice. I haven't taken any chemistry in almost ten years, but if you'd like to comment on this in further detail, I'd be very happy to read what you have to say.
post #15903 of 19076
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Originally Posted by Leaves View Post

I have a suggestion: let's get back on topic.

Someone said earlier you can't get a good mirror shine with Burgol. This is incorrect, we use Burgol in our shop every day. We don't mirror shine our display shoes but we do it on our own shoes and it works great. If anyone needs tips for technique just email us and ask for Alexander, he is our shine expert.

 First of all , welcome to the thread (if i am not mistaken this is your first post here) !

 

 Generally you can mirror shine even with the worst wax-polish , its just taking ages to perform! I have mirror shined a friends pair using a 1 euro wax! After the time required  there is the final result that is slightly different from brand to brand!! Some waxes give a long lasting and glassy finish ((really smooth and hard surface) Collonil 1909 wax, probably GKaren high shine but i have to mention that i havent used it and judging  only from the results i have seen, maybe Patrick help on that)) but it's harder to work with and need some experience . On the other hand there is waxes that produce a faster result but a little softer and duller finish(mirror but not as good as the previous results) (Saphir, standard kiwi) ! 

 

 Finally i cant be sure but Burgol's paste polish and daubers look like re-branded  Saphir (old Saphir jars its a common policy of saphir for re-branded products , old jars 100ml -new ones 75ml)

 

welcome again:happy:

post #15904 of 19076

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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

When has Travers gotten hostile unless provoked? He has been provoked by two people I can think of, the first is Chogall, the second is whats his name with the suede shoes as an avatar. Also, I find that while not gracious cursing has its place and some people simply need to be told to fuck off. Believe it or not some people actually respond in the intended manner when cursed at. Cursing has meaning just like any other words.

 

@traverscao reminded me of Dave Coppeland when he first appear on the forum; their mildly mannered passive aggressive posting styles are eerily similar.  But then I realized they were probably not the same guy.  Other than that, I only called him out on his sometimes eccentric if not horrible shoe and shoe care recommendations, including grease on leather, dissing Corthay, etc.  Despite rarely acknowledging his recommendation being awful sometimes, @traverscao was a good troll, a good sport.

 

No idea why @traverscao made his atypical and out of character post, violently snapping at @Berners15, especially when the latter wasn't targeting the former. Interestingly enough, @traverscao did call @Berners15 Dave Coppeland.  Passing the baton perhaps?

post #15905 of 19076
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post
 

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 including grease on leather, 

I use grease on leather too !! Not only shoes btw ...........:rotflmao:

 

We ll never agree on that matter hahaaha

post #15906 of 19076
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I don't think DW is trying to make anything ground breaking. Technology should be used to progress and make things better, not sly imitations of something that was better yesteryear. Then again, are there stronger and more durable materials for footwear than leather? Yes, but that isn't what this conversation is about. Bespoke, traditionally made footwear specifically isn't for the masses. The point is people go into buying expensive shoes from a location in the world who supposedly makes traditionally crafted shoes using old style materials (leather) and they get an imitation of that at a lesser quality. Bespoke shoes aren't for the masses so I don't get your point.

Also Edison gets all of the credit for what is largely a Tesla (man, not the company)-invented technology. Edison even killed an elephant in the process to fool the masses.

 

Why can't bespoke be for the masses?  And if build on the same construction specification, how do you determine it to be lesser quality?

 

We all learn from imitations; and at this day and age, those who are imitating are surpassing the imitated. 

post #15907 of 19076
Well it hasn't happened yet. That's kind of the point.
post #15908 of 19076
In summary.
Me: how to make it happen, and can it be done economically.
pB: it hasn't happened yet.
DWFII: impossible, kills the craft, promotes mediocrity, and displaces shoemakers.
post #15909 of 19076
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

Why can't bespoke be for the masses? 

I suppose...on an individual basis...bespoke can be for the masses. But that's nearly an incomprehensible concept and hard to think about much less express. The masses are the masses because they more or less act as a group not as individuals.
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

And if build on the same construction specification, how do you determine it to be lesser quality?

You're getting in over your head here, if you will forgive me saying so. "Same construction specification" as what? Compared to what? You can look at handwelted work and see a significant difference in quality and reliability and strength in both techniques and materials versus GY. That's how you determine quality...be it lesser or greater--the nature and character of the materials and the techniques.
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

We all learn from imitations; and at this day and age, those who are imitating are surpassing the imitated. 

Simply not true. Pretty words but sophistry nonetheless. Just because you can string those words together in a sentence doesn't confer any validity at all. In fact, that's almost the original criteria for deception...even if it's only self-deception.

And even if it were true...what a treat!!--faking fakery. Posing as a poseur. Imitation faux leather.

I'm gonna get me some.

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Edited by DWFII - 6/25/15 at 4:26pm
post #15910 of 19076
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

In summary.
Me: how to make it happen, and can it be done economically.
pB: it hasn't happened yet.
DWFII: impossible, kills the craft, promotes mediocrity, and displaces shoemakers.

You: Magical thinking. Pipe dreams. No background or in depth of understanding (by your own admission) of how to make it happen much less whether it is even feasible.
pB: I'll let him speak for himself.
DW: OK. I'll buy that. It doesn't seem possible to introduce nuances of meaning to you nor to point out the vantage and advantage that I enjoy by virtue of decades of experience. So hey, colour me "guilty as charged." It's easier that way.

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Edited by DWFII - 6/25/15 at 4:25pm
post #15911 of 19076

 

For real shop in Turkey.

post #15912 of 19076
On edit...

Naw...I don't want to get into this.
post #15913 of 19076
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

On edit...

Naw...I don't want to get into this.

I have stated the proposition twice. But you just keep mistating it. I will dumb it down further.

DW: when I think of a great idea, I dont care whether the masses adopt or benefit from it.
Me: truly great ideas will be adopted by the masses, shit ideas will not. So it makes no sense to ignore the masses.
DW: show me examples of great ideas coming from the masses.
Me: Huh???

DW, there really is no point talking to you. 40 years of experience has just gummed up your mind. To the extent that you need a forum to vent. would have been fine if you confine your views to shoemaking, and not venture into areas where you are clearly out of your depth.
post #15914 of 19076
Dw you keep trying to justify travs outburst, prodding a cat? Are we cats? Animals, base creatures with no control? If you're that bloody pathetic that you lose your temper over flippant internet comments then I seriously fear for not only your well being but those around you.

Grow up, lighten up and get a life. Amen.
post #15915 of 19076

Really useful David Coplands (f... he made his name stay in history.....) come in this thread and shit storming just trying to pick up fights!!! Really really useful indeed 

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