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post #15886 of 19264
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Why??!! It seems to me from your first post in this thread you were dismissing the elite and the insights that they might have acquired through dint of hard work, study, objectivity, etc.. Even money.

why would you want to be associated with such people?

I think you read too far between the lines sir.
post #15887 of 19264
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Originally Posted by Stemo79 View Post

I think Berners is being unfairly castigated and people have very selective observations. I'll say again, his first post was not offensive and it certainly did not single out any one person. Travers then responded to said post in a hostile fashion asking the question "are you a f****** communist?". It was not travers who was directly provoked, if anyone it was Berners and it was entirely justified that he then responded with a patronising attitude.

YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!

No?
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Originally Posted by Berners15 View Post


I think it is because the people on here are so opinionated and affluent; guys just because you're rich, it doesn't make you right. Most of the advice is opinionated and often anecdotal.

He may even be right.

Subsequently Munky took issue with that characterization, pB disagreed with him, chogall (as far as I was able to understand his post) also disagreed...all politely and civilly.

And then there was this:
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Originally Posted by Berners15 View Post

According to many on here this cannot be achieved except with the aid of wax from the rarest of bees, living on the remotest islands, blessed by holy men and shaman, only sold in the most exclusive shops and commanding a premium to match.
Simplified I stand by what I said - simplified - poppy cock.
Now, if you so please, I shall get off my soap box and return to my much loved kebab, please and thank you mmmmmwwwwwwaaaaahh

At which point....

We really can't rewrite history even if we want to. Collective memory and all that.
post #15888 of 19264
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Originally Posted by Stemo79 View Post

I think you read too far between the lines sir.

Interesting...

On the other hand I think there's too much self-justification, misdirection (rewriting history, as who should say,) and unwillingness to be accountable for what we say, going on here.

Maybe, as the apparently forgotten snippets indicate, there's not enough reading (the lines themselves nevermind the in between) going on.

It occurs to me that Berners might even be able to defend himself.
post #15889 of 19264
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

No?
He may even be right.

Subsequently Munky took issue with that characterization, pB disagreed with him, chogall (as far as I was able to understand his post) also disagreed...all politely and civilly.

And then there was this:
At which point....

We really can't rewrite history even if we want to. Collective memory and all that.

Why would anyone take issue with any of that? If the shoe doesn't fit then....
post #15890 of 19264
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Originally Posted by Stemo79 View Post

Why would anyone take issue with any of that? If the shoe doesn't fit then....

I agree....wholeheartedly. But the same could be said for all the slightly off base and sometimes nearly incomprehensible things that Travers said.

And yet..I've watched him be bullied...yes, bullied...for months.

I guess "if the shoe fits" only applies if it's someone else's foot.
post #15891 of 19264
Just had to look back to check and yes i stand by what I said. Berners did not single any one person out.

You missed the first two sentences out of the second quote which makes it look worse than what it was.

It's been blown out of context and proportion.
post #15892 of 19264
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

I agree....wholeheartedly. But the same could be said for all the slightly off base and sometimes nearly incomprehensible things that Travers said.

And yet..I've watched him be bullied...yes, bullied...for months.

I guess "if the shoe fits" only applies if it's someone else's foot.

That's as maybe but then travers directly attacked Berners, a far cry from general sweeping aspersions which can be easily brushed off as nonsense if you really wanted.

I think The problem is that some truth rang through his words which ruffled some feathers, the proverbial poo storm ensued.
post #15893 of 19264
I have a suggestion: let's get back on topic.

Someone said earlier you can't get a good mirror shine with Burgol. This is incorrect, we use Burgol in our shop every day. We don't mirror shine our display shoes but we do it on our own shoes and it works great. If anyone needs tips for technique just email us and ask for Alexander, he is our shine expert.
post #15894 of 19264
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Originally Posted by Stemo79 View Post

That's as maybe but then travers directly attacked Berners, a far cry from general sweeping aspersions which can be easily brushed off as nonsense if you really wanted.

I think The problem is that some truth rang through his words which ruffled some feathers, the proverbial poo storm ensued.

If you're walking the mean streets and you're suddenly surrounded by a pack of feral dogs nipping at your heels...well, when all the "nice doggies" have been exhausted, you're likely to kick out--at the dog nearest and easiest to reach. I think Berners was just the nearest one.

I've been there.

I won't defend Travers but I won't applaud or justify his banning either...much less excuse the deliberate (?) provocation that led to his probably predictable and quite natural response.
post #15895 of 19264
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

If you're walking the mean streets and you're suddenly surrounded by a pack of feral dogs nipping at your heels...well, when all the "nice doggies" have been exhausted, you're likely to kick out--at the dog nearest and easiest to reach. I think Berners was just the nearest one.

I won't defend Travers but I won't applaud or justify his banning either..much less excuse the deliberate (?) provocation.

Well if that's all it takes to provoke people....

Cotton wool...

Bubble wrap...

Anyway forget it and let's buy some products from leaves shop, can't beat a bit of shameless plugging.
post #15896 of 19264
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Originally Posted by Stemo79 View Post

Well if that's all it takes to provoke people....

Cotton wool...

Bubble wrap...

Anyway forget it and let's buy some products from leaves shop, can't beat a bit of shameless plugging.

Got kids to feed and a wife to spoil!
post #15897 of 19264
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Originally Posted by Stemo79 View Post

Well if that's all it takes to provoke people....

Cotton wool...

Bubble wrap...

Anyway forget it and let's buy some products from leaves shop, can't beat a bit of shameless plugging.

How much provocation does it take to get a cat to scratch you?

Maybe a lesson here for all of us.

And FWIW....I'm willing.
post #15898 of 19264

I hope that the moderator thinks twice and that Travers is still looking at this site. Travers made a considerable contribution to this thread and I would welcome him back. 

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Be sure of that!!

 

Just a Yellow card.:fonz:

post #15900 of 19264

Travers was indeed passionate about shoe care. But that does not excuse how offensive he became...and that sort of behavior is not passion. 

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