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post #15751 of 19066
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Originally Posted by Berners15 View Post
 


I think it is because the people on here are so opinionated and affluent; guys just because you're rich, it doesn't make you right. Most of the advice is opinionated and often anecdotal.

I am relatively badly off financially, but have liked high quality shoes since I was a child, go figure the reasons because I am unsure.

As I haven't had the funds to indulge on a wardrobe full of exotic shoes I have had to look after them, and before the advent of easy access to the interweb, I developed a shoe care regime by asking friends and relatives what to do and what to use.

I learned to spit and polish from my father who spent time in the armed forces and Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver (I still have an M-65 field jacket in my wardrobe - America's greatest and probably only worth while gift to the fashion world lol)

The point is I have shoes that are getting on for 20 yrs old ie an old pair of Church's Diplomat that have never seen conditioner in their life. Are they cracked? Nope. Do they still look nice? Yep.

My regime for them is Meltonian cream in a close colour match and Kiwi for the toe caps and heels - seems to have worked, lost count how many times they've been resoled, that was in the good old days when Church's made shoes properly-ish.

Lately I use Saphir and their conditioner, cream and wax for my more exotic shoes - seems to work but will it make them last any longer, well I kind of doubt it.

Back to Mr De Niro, well that was the first time I saw somebody ignite their polish to make it liquid, my father explained it also burns off the spirit which apparently helps. Also at that point I started to use water rather than spit. I was quite a little punk rocker in the 70's and there have been many pairs of Airwair boots that have pogo'd the night away with their mirror shine that would have held their head up high on a parade ground (yep daily maintenance, as you can imagine, was essential) - strangely none of them cracked either.

After the Punk phase came David Bowie's Lets Dance look and I went all Italian suits and English shoes and that's where my heart still lies I suppose.

I dislike conventional English tailoring (God bless Armani for the 80's) and God bless Gaziano and Girling for taking the stuffed shirt Edward Green style (with the exception of the 888 last on an Oxford) and doing the same thing to it ie bring it kicking and screaming into the modern world and adding style and elegance to a formal shoe whilst retaining its original roots. Co-incidentally didn't Mr Gaziano design the 888 last?

However at the point I started wearing the toe cap Oxford I stopped doing mirror shines. IMHO it just looks wrong. Toecaps and heels slightly shinier than the rest of the shoe, definitely yes. Natural patina on leather as a result of years of wear and loving care as opposed to an advert on, how plasticky you can make toe caps look by putting on a parade ground shine, is something I prefer.

So why don't the people on here agree. Because there is more than one way to achieve the desired end look. Opinions as to what that look should be vary. Then there is the anecdotal 'evidence' spouted by those that have never had to make shoes last decades that are worn on a regular basis. Then there are the myths spread by the product manufacturers.

On the plus side, properly polishing a pair of old loved shoes on a wet and windy Sunday evening is mildly therapeutic and I enjoy reading this little advice column to fill in the gaps in my knowledge that I apparently have even though I have been partaking in the shoe shine ritual for 50 years.

Bless you all XXXX

 

I have to disagree with you on several points:

 

_First of all, who the hell do you identify as "rich"? Are you a fucking communist (sorry, commies must go with a fucking - political related jerking, no offense), or simply lack of serious thought before you speak? How do you even judge if one is rich? Say, my neighbor, a 98 years old man, is "rich", because he's been living with his beloved wife for roughly 70 years already. Is that part of "rich"? Hell freaking yeah it is! Guys with beautiful shoes, are they "rich"? If it's because the relation of nice shoes and wealth, then goddammit, you're communist who's only being so jealous of other people who works a lot more.

 

_Second of all, we are all here under trial and error methods. Some, like myself, may try out of the sake of personal interest, some sort of experiment, so that learning experience can be gathered along the way. Some may choose to follow advices and influences and slather goop all over their shoes. The point being - their shoes, do whatever the fuck they can with it - but they must remember that their hands are slathering it on. It is wrong to generalize the whole group in an experiment - I have excellent results using dubbin grease on my shoes whereas others don't, and I cannot force them to use it just because my experience is excellent. Whatever the hell happened, should be consumed as a lesson for experiences, and they will always vary, because it is a matter of qualitative data - non-numerical data that only those personally involved can experience and judge for themselves, and will prone to bias.

 

An extra point, Meltonian cream, while not an actual "conditioner", does do some of that so called "conditioning" that we are all so favored of. So, no, you weren't doing anything so much different to what we have been doing, you're just using different brand, that's all. 

 

It is more important than anything that we learn from experiences rather than sitting there crapping our pants and crying over some products gooping up our shoes, and it is important to keep the influences remain as they are, because our hands are those that applies the product to our leather items. 

 

Good day to you, and please keep the statements as cool as possible. 

post #15752 of 19066

Careful, @DWFII: apothecaries and finer shoe emporia are bracing for a run on goat piss.

post #15753 of 19066
Yikes, my wife calls me "the old goat"--that's too close to home for comfort.
post #15754 of 19066
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Originally Posted by Berners15 View Post


If you remember I was replying to this, I was not having a random pop at the affluent.
The crux was - no conditioner, Meltonian and Kiwi = No cracks, well cared for, long lasting shoes.
According to many on here this cannot be achieved except with the aid of wax from the rarest of bees, living on the remotest islands, blessed by holy men and shaman, only sold in the most exclusive shops and commanding a premium to match.
Simplified I stand by what I said - simplified - poppy cock.
Now, if you so please, I shall get off my soap box and return to my much loved kebab, please and thank you mmmmmwwwwwwaaaaahh
The cream Meltonian polish is actually a conditioner, with a little pigment and wax.
post #15755 of 19066

Gentlemen so I treated my suede chelsea's with waterproofer but I got caught in the rain yesterday and I have some waterspouts on the snuff suede. Any tips on how to get rid of the water spots? Thank you in advance.

post #15756 of 19066

HI All,

I've bought a pair of calf leather medium brown dress shoes recently and have wore it a half a dozen times or so and I started noticing that there's some sort of discolouration happening in the crease. Is there anyway I can fix this?


When I first bought my shoes, I put on a few layers of Saphir shoe cream on the whole shoe and waxed the toe. I took a picture of the shoes with the proper white balance before I started wearing it:

 

 

Please excuse the poor lighting and white balance, the shoes did not change colour from the shoe cream for the two shots below :p 

 

As you see where I put the grey bubble, it seems that the crease is causing discolouration to the leather. This started happening after I wore the shoes a few times so the first time I saw it, I just put on another few layers of Saphir shoe cream. I wore it today and the discolouration seems to come back.

 

 

 

What should I do to fix this and what should I use? I currently only have Saphir Shoe Cream and Saphir shoe polish. I will be getting the Saphir Renovateur soon. Thanks!

post #15757 of 19066
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Originally Posted by sarteaga View Post

Gentlemen so I treated my suede chelsea's with waterproofer but I got caught in the rain yesterday and I have some waterspouts on the snuff suede. Any tips on how to get rid of the water spots? Thank you in advance.

Try washing them with water first. If it doesn't work, try suede shampoo.

Pictures will help. Don't think those are water spots.
post #15758 of 19066
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Originally Posted by Mojomojo View Post

HI All,


I've bought a pair of calf leather medium brown dress shoes recently and have wore it a half a dozen times or so and I started noticing that there's some sort of discolouration happening in the crease. Is there anyway I can fix this?


When I first bought my shoes, I put on a few layers of Saphir shoe cream on the whole shoe and waxed the toe. I took a picture of the shoes with the proper white balance before I started wearing it:




Please excuse the poor lighting and white balance, the shoes did not change colour from the shoe cream for the two shots below tongue.gif  

As you see where I put the grey bubble, it seems that the crease is causing discolouration to the leather. This started happening after I wore the shoes a few times so the first time I saw it, I just put on another few layers of Saphir shoe cream. I wore it today and the discolouration seems to come back.







What should I do to fix this and what should I use? I currently only have Saphir Shoe Cream and Saphir shoe polish. I will be getting the Saphir Renovateur soon. Thanks!

That's patina. Happens with light colored shoes or even suedes. Color them with shoe cream and they will be gone for a short while.
post #15759 of 19066
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post


That's patina. Happens with light colored shoes or even suedes. Color them with shoe cream and they will be gone for a short while.

 

Ah, thanks! So I guess even if I colour it with shoe cream, it'd just come back every so often. 

post #15760 of 19066

I'm always hesitant to polishing my brown shoes because I'm concerned about changing the color.  What product and what color should I use on these shoes?  The first photo is without flash.  The second one is with flash.  In real life, they fall somewhere in between.

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All advice is appreciated in advance.

post #15761 of 19066
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Originally Posted by mosy View Post
 

I'm always hesitant to polishing my brown shoes because I'm concerned about changing the color.  What product and what color should I use on these shoes?  The first photo is without flash.  The second one is with flash.  In real life, they fall somewhere in between.

photo3.JPG 2,331k .JPG file

photo1.JPG 2,671k .JPG file

All advice is appreciated in advance.

 The best for not changing the color is to take the shoes with you and find the matching color(as close as possible to the original)!! I a mid brown i think its the best so not to darken them !Dark brown  especially cream polish from saphir or colonil ll darken them for sure (i have both creams and they are really dark with lot of pigment in them) 

  Hope i helped!

post #15762 of 19066
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Originally Posted by benhour View Post
 

 The best for not changing the color is to take the shoes with you and find the matching color(as close as possible to the original)!! I a mid brown i think its the best so not to darken them !Dark brown  especially cream polish from saphir or colonil ll darken them for sure (i have both creams and they are really dark with lot of pigment in them) 

  Hope i helped!

Thanks.  So Saphir mid-brown?  What about the light brown (or even neutral), will those accomplish anything?  (By the way, my pics uploaded funny.  were you able to see them?)

post #15763 of 19066
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Originally Posted by mosy View Post
 

Thanks.  So Saphir mid-brown?  What about the light brown (or even neutral), will those accomplish anything?  (By the way, my pics uploaded funny.  were you able to see them?)

My personal experience says a very big no on using neutral -light brown on darker shoes (it ll cracked and look like dust at the areas where the shoe flex(vamp) )!Mid brown it ll be ok!

 

Clicked on them and chrome downloaded them !! hahahaha 

post #15764 of 19066

Is this type of deep creasing and soft "easy-to-press-in" leather normal for this area of the shoe? see here:  n9q9k1.gif 1,920k .gif file  

post #15765 of 19066
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Originally Posted by mosy View Post

Is this type of deep creasing and soft "easy-to-press-in" leather normal for this area of the shoe? see here:  n9q9k1.gif 1920k .gif file  

I have a couple of pairs and I would say that's quite unusual for a dress shoe.
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