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post #15211 of 19073

I swear by Saphir Renovateur, it's great stuff...

post #15212 of 19073
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Originally Posted by benhour View Post

The application is made with bare hands (more to [...] take advantage of the body heat)! You just pass your finger through the surface [...] ( at 25Co you dont need any rubbing at all) [...]! Then with fast motions you apply it at the vamp! After that you can massage it a little!

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post #15213 of 19073
^ this guy is quite humorous.
post #15214 of 19073
I've kind of turned my back to the whole idea that fats and grease are good for leather. I think you're introducing agents that oxidize, get sticky, then hard and ultimately are not great for leather. Beeswax inhibits oxidation as does carnauba. This is why animals use these waxes in their homes and why people use it on cars. Not only does it shine, it inhibits oxidation of the paint. This is kind of why I like coconut oil (high oxidative stability) synthetics (Lexol) and fats that are engineered to evaporate (leather doctor). No rancidification, no oxidation, no dealing with stripping gunky fats.
post #15215 of 19073
Sometimes I wonder if martinson was correct, nothing works.
post #15216 of 19073
In all honesty I think the idea that fibers need to be lubricated is an overrated concept. Lubricate them all you want, fibers flexing will eventually break. I think the best thing you can really do for leather is keep it clean and keep the pH in check.
post #15217 of 19073
I've come to pretty much the same conclusion over the years. One of the reasons I switched to Bick4.

Leather will not last. At it's most fundamental it is an environmentally friendly, sustainable material...it's not plastic. Save your oils, greases, Armour-All, etc., for vinyl and Corfam.
post #15218 of 19073
Do we know what's in Bick 4? I know you love it, but I'm curious.
post #15219 of 19073

The minutiae of this site intrigues me. Sometimes it seems to be about basic shoe care. But, sometimes it seems to be about fine titrations of various oils and so on. I guess that our shoes will survive all this. I hope so. 

post #15220 of 19073
Aye, weel, I kent it was the tears of baby unicorns....collected by 16 year old maidens of certified purity (so you know how rare it is).

No, we don't know....exactly.

But the same can be said of a lot of products out there. I don't know what's in Leather Doctor Hydrator but it makes me cough.

I've been told by doctors that breathing vapourized oils can cause lipid (?) pneumonia, and coughing.

I go by what the leather and my hands feel like when I'm done applying it.

In my career, I've tried damn near every product out there and left most of them well behind.
post #15221 of 19073
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Do we know what's in Bick 4? I know you love it, but I'm curious.
I would also be interested in the reasoning process that led you to prefer Bick 4 over other products (Reading DFWs posts I'm certain there is one)
post #15222 of 19073

DW, how does Bick 4 compare to VSC in your experience?

 

I use both regularly, like both (for different reasons), but tend to find that Bick 4 is a lot less harsh (on my fingers, with which I apply it and VSC). That said, Bick 4 doesn't buff into much of a shine, whereas VSC buffs into a lovely shine, without any wax or anything else.

post #15223 of 19073
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Originally Posted by JSO1 View Post
 

DW, how does Bick 4 compare to VSC in your experience?

 

I use both regularly, like both (for different reasons), but tend to find that Bick 4 is a lot less harsh (on my fingers, with which I apply it and VSC). That said, Bick 4 doesn't buff into much of a shine, whereas VSC buffs into a lovely shine, without any wax or anything else.

VSC contains petroleum distillates if i am not mistaken!

post #15224 of 19073
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I've kind of turned my back to the whole idea that fats and grease are good for leather. I think you're introducing agents that oxidize, get sticky, then hard and ultimately are not great for leather. Beeswax inhibits oxidation as does carnauba. This is why animals use these waxes in their homes and why people use it on cars. Not only does it shine, it inhibits oxidation of the paint. This is kind of why I like coconut oil (high oxidative stability) synthetics (Lexol) and fats that are engineered to evaporate (leather doctor). No rancidification, no oxidation, no dealing with stripping gunky fats.

Oxidation and hardening is the primary reason why you need little of them when you apply, this is when the "fat on lean" folk rule applies. But, you forgot an important point in what you were saying. Waxes are occlusive, and this will inhibits oxidation. It also means that it will inhibits breathability, which, in practicality sense, is bad. 

 

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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

In all honesty I think the idea that fibers need to be lubricated is an overrated concept. Lubricate them all you want, fibers flexing will eventually break. I think the best thing you can really do for leather is keep it clean and keep the pH in check.

I think when it comes to lubrication of the fibers, one must understand what kind of leather need it best. Honestly, something like chrome leather will hardly ever need lubrication at all - a chromed rifle barrel will never take any oil, as oppose to carbon steel. Vegetable tanned hides have stiff fibers, therefore, water content and lubrication make more sense. However, the breaking point of the fibers largely depends on usage (flexing), dryness (lack of care), or the degree of saturation by any liquids (oils, water, or chemicals).

 

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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Do we know what's in Bick 4? I know you love it, but I'm curious.

Smells like fish oil would be one of the components.

post #15225 of 19073
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Originally Posted by JSO1 View Post

DW, how does Bick 4 compare to VSC in your experience?

I use both regularly, like both (for different reasons), but tend to find that Bick 4 is a lot less harsh (on my fingers, with which I apply it and VSC). That said, Bick 4 doesn't buff into much of a shine, whereas VSC buffs into a lovely shine, without any wax or anything else.
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VSC contains petroleum distillates if i am not mistaken!

You're right. And some waxes.
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