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post #14446 of 19073
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post


A pH of 7 is too high for leather which wants to be between 3 and 5

Typical thought was that any cleaner of neutral pH will stay in the "buffer" zone, neither harden nor softening the leather.


Edited by traverscao - 4/4/15 at 6:44pm
post #14447 of 19073
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post
 

Typical thought was that any cleaner of neutral pH will stay in the "buffer" zone, neither harden nor softening the leather a fair bit too much. 

You are using words that you don't know the meaning of. 

post #14448 of 19073

Point them out as needed, please. I don't see if any of those words I don't have a clear understanding of. 

post #14449 of 19073
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post
 

Point them out as needed, please. I don't see if any of those words I don't have a clear understanding of. 

To be honest, I don't even know where to start. That entire post makes no sense. 

post #14450 of 19073
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Originally Posted by jaywhyy View Post

To be honest, I don't even know where to start. That entire post makes no sense. 

Then please just be polite and start with PM me. I don't see a point for being so critical or impolite.
post #14451 of 19073

Fellas, I have never heard of Huberd's Shoe Grease being spoken about in the thread. Can any users share their experience? Some folks from here Washington state said it worked for around 100 years or so. 

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post #14453 of 19073
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post


Then please just be polite and start with PM me. I don't see a point for being so critical or impolite.


Why should he not be critical? You are giving advice that makes no sense. If he won't, I'll do it.

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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post
 

Typical thought was that any cleaner of neutral pH will stay in the "buffer" zone, neither harden nor softening the leather.


stay in the "buffer" zone - what do you think this means? It does not make sense as a statement.

 

harden nor softening the leather - I can understand how this is relevant to the topic of leather longevity, but how is it related to the pH of the cleaner?

 

typical thought - from whom?

post #14454 of 19073
Going where angels fear to tread...and against the grain (read "group think")

Language should not be a tool for bludgeoning others simply for having a different world-view or mind set or vocabulary than we ourselves have.

Yes, Travers can be pretty hard to understand, even opaque. But how is that different from all the non-native-English speakers that post to this board? Hell, there are those who post in these forums that I have a hard time understanding despite the fact that I am pretty sure they grew up speaking English in the USA.

Who among us is rigourous with their spelling? Careful about semantics? Who among us is "without sin?"

Communication is a two way street. Sometimes you have to expend a little effort...even if it's simply in terms of tolerance.

In my opinion...
post #14455 of 19073
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post

Damn i just moved from ssf to sf, longer drive now, but thank you!

anything within actual sf, otherwise i have it in the mail already

They don't have saphir mdo polishes or creams in stock. Not at least when I visited. Nice folks. Close very early. More of a distributor warehouse than retail shop.
post #14456 of 19073

For Glen as requested:

 

I usually just condition my shoes more or less twice a year cause I do like the natural patina they develope. I use SMO or SCU for the edges and  outsole stiching after I condition them.

 

Once in a while I use colour creams if the shoes needs it (once a year and a half).

 

I have waxes too, but I do not use them very much.  If my shoes are beaten up, then I go with the clour wax instead of cream.

 

I never use conditioner+creams nor conditioner+waxes. 

 

Hope this help and thanks for your all you information about shoe care products, very informative.

 

I believe I am not a target consumer. 

post #14457 of 19073
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Going where angels fear to tread...and against the grain (read "group think")

Language should not be a tool for bludgeoning others simply for having a different world-view or mind set or vocabulary than we ourselves have.

Yes, Travers can be pretty hard to understand, even opaque. But how is that different from all the non-native-English speakers that post to this board? Hell, there are those who post in these forums that I have a hard time understanding despite the fact that I am pretty sure they grew up speaking English in the USA.

Who among us is rigourous with their spelling? Careful about semantics? Who among us is "without sin?"

Communication is a two way street. Sometimes you have to expend a little effort...even if it's simply in terms of tolerance.

In my opinion...

Mine also. Thank you Dwf for expressing my thoughts better than I could have.
post #14458 of 19073
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Originally Posted by MonotovsOpera View Post
 


Why should he not be critical? You are giving advice that makes no sense. If he won't, I'll do it.


stay in the "buffer" zone - what do you think this means? It does not make sense as a statement.

 

harden nor softening the leather - I can understand how this is relevant to the topic of leather longevity, but how is it related to the pH of the cleaner?

 

typical thought - from whom?

Critical with politeness, please. I don't take no more shit storms. 

 

Onwards to the explanation that you requested.

 

Saddle soap was known to have hardened the leather, due to high alkalinic pH. Leather is acidic, but it does not means you want to douse it with acid. In such case, all manufacturer, all designers, ...etc..., wanted to be very careful to create a powerful cleaner without falling into either side of the pH scale. Therefore, a neutral pH was presumably the choice. However, they forgot, mildly acidic will not kill, not that pH neutral is that much necessary. 

 

Which, after explained all of that out for you, do you now get what I mean by "buffer" zone?

 

There goes the relation to typical thoughts, the "buffer" zone, and also, whatevz that you need to know. 

 

Keep yourself in positively critical. Help or get help. Don't push them out the window or door.

post #14459 of 19073
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Going where angels fear to tread...and against the grain (read "group think")

Language should not be a tool for bludgeoning others simply for having a different world-view or mind set or vocabulary than we ourselves have.

Yes, Travers can be pretty hard to understand, even opaque. But how is that different from all the non-native-English speakers that post to this board? Hell, there are those who post in these forums that I have a hard time understanding despite the fact that I am pretty sure they grew up speaking English in the USA.

Who among us is rigourous with their spelling? Careful about semantics? Who among us is "without sin?"

Communication is a two way street. Sometimes you have to expend a little effort...even if it's simply in terms of tolerance.

In my opinion...

Thank you, DW. 

post #14460 of 19073

@DWFII, much agreed. Hostility is completely unnecessary. However, if you are going to discuss scientific tenets, I think accuracy in language is extremely important.

 

@traverscao, on your points: I don't think all manufacturers or all designers wanted to be very careful about the cleaning products they use, create, or recommend. There are many that still sell saddle soap as a cleaner, even if it is a terrible product. I also understand what you meant by "buffer zone", but that term is simply not used to refer to what you're referring it to and could be confusing to people reading this thread. I certainly had no idea what you were referring to.

 

On the subject, I'd actually agree with @patrickBOOTH, that you want a product that is slightly acidic, not a neutral product. Even pH balanced (neutral) soaps are drying to the skin. They are also probably not the best choice for leather, but they are certainly better than something alkaline.

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