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post #12961 of 19067
I can't tell whether that post is satirical or not.
post #12962 of 19067

No, not satirical at all, Patrick!  My ignorance of leather is beyond the imagination. Is hot stuffed leather a good thing?  Again, no satire. 

 

I've read up a bit more and realise now realise the folly of my leather ways...

 

Third edit...thanks to Sleepy and Patrick for putting me on the right track re hot stuffed leather. :embar: 


Edited by Munky - 1/12/15 at 12:35pm
post #12963 of 19067
Not yours, sleepy's.
post #12964 of 19067
Hot stuffed only means it is heated and raw unrefined oils are impregnated into it rather that emulsified oils. The results vary depends on what the leather is made for. It isn't superior, or inferior, it is just a process.
post #12965 of 19067

Just one more question on the hot stuffed leather issue, Patrick. Is Sleepy right in his suggestion that wiping down and brushing are all that is necessary with this sort of leather? Regards, Munky.

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I can't tell whether that post is satirical or not.

 

 

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Not yours, sleepy's.

 

 

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Hot stuffed only means it is heated and raw unrefined oils are impregnated into it rather that emulsified oils. The results vary depends on what the leather is made for. It isn't superior, or inferior, it is just a process.

 

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Hot stuffed only means it is heated and raw unrefined oils are impregnated into it rather that emulsified oils. The results vary depends on what the leather is made for. It isn't superior, or inferior, it is just a process.


When did I claim it's superior? I was just trying to characterize what leather the red shoes are made of before forumites can speculate on what to do with them. For someone who can't stop any of his calfskin shoes from cracking, pB, you are quite the dildo when responding to others' opinions

post #12967 of 19067

I have to take responsibility for a lot of this mix up. I don't think there were any real problems with the various exchanges, above. It was me that asked if hot stuffed leather was 'a good thing'. I believe that Patrick was referring to my comment when he wrote that such leather is not superior or inferior...'  I admit to not being too sure about the 'satirical' issue...

 

I fully appreciate the advice you have both offered. I am both clearer about the leather issue and about how to look after shoes made in this way. Thank you.

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When did I claim it's superior? I was just trying to characterize what leather the red shoes are made of before forumites can speculate on what to do with them.

Um, I didn't say you said it was, I was just stating fact to Munky that it is just a process of stuffing the leather with oils. Also, note that I always present facts and experience when responding to other's opinions.
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1. Mink Oil Reno by Shoe Snob is generally a cream, like that of Saphir Reno, and should be used before polish, but after cleaning.

2. They will rarely tell you. Look for natural ingredients though. No petroleum, no silicones, no polymer (only applies to smooth leather), no alcohol, and you're quite set.

3. Saphir Leather Lotion is a leather balm. Crème Universelle is also a leather balm. Strange enough, stuff like the solid Montana Pitch Blend Leather Dressing can also be label as balm. Basically balm is a generic term for conditioner. 

 

 

Distinguish between mink oils, Fluffer, because variants of them exist - we have the liquid oil, liquid conditioner, to canned grease (the stuff from Kiwi that diminish the shine), and solid leather dressing, and to conclude, the creamy stuff from high end companies. Mink oil itself is just an oil from the animal. 

 

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I am using Kiwi Mink Oil on the creases on my calf leather shoes.  I touch my finger to the grease and rub it lightly along the creases (that is don't apply it, merely suggest it to your shoes).  After 24 hours, it absorbs and is gone.  Wipe down and polish as required.  FWIW, I am using mink oil as I haven't made it out to buy dubbin.  Probably no functional difference IMHO.

 

Thanks guys! really appreciate the replies. now its time to shop for conditioners. 

 

Cheers.

post #12970 of 19067

@patrickBOOTH, @Munky, hot stuff leather benefits water resistance capability (note - resistance, not proof, means it's not completely perfect), which, in many cases, is a plus. However, if the stuffing compound contains wax (like that of shell cordovan), the leather can risk having spots and welts if wet.

 

The other thing, which may sound extremely ridiculous, but at least, not to me, is that hot stuff leathers usually need less conditioning than many other leathers. 

post #12971 of 19067
I'd agree with all of that.
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@DWFII, is it possible for a smooth calf to be hot stuffed then glazed to a smooth surface that can take polish?

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@DWFII
, is it possible for a smooth calf to be hot stuffed then glazed to a smooth surface that can take polish?

Aren't some of the Horween Chromexcel leathers (there are now a ton of different ones) like this?
post #12974 of 19067
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is it possible for a smooth calf to be hot stuffed then glazed to a smooth surface that can take polish?

I've never seen it. But Horween claims their chromeXL can be spit shined.

Things change.

I have never met a chrome tanned leather that could be burnished in the sense that I mean when I think of burnishing leather. But Annonay has a chrome tanned calf that they claim can be "wax burnished." I've burnished a lot of leather in my time, but I don't know what that means. Burnishing means to polish without polish.--just by rubbing. So I don't know if Annonay has come up with a new way to burnish or a new type of finish on chrome that will burnish or is just using the word more loosely than I would.

Maybe it's all a matter of how you define "take a polish."

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I've never seen it. But Horween claims their chromeXL can be spit shined.

Things change.

I have never met a chrome tanned leather that could be burnished in the sense that I mean when I think of burnishing leather. But Annonay has a chrome tanned calf that they claim can be "wax burnished." I've burnished a lot of leather in my time, but I don't know what that means. Burnishing means to polish without polish.--just by rubbing. So I don't know if Annonay has come up with a new way to burnish or a new type of finish on chrome that will burnish or is just using the word more loosely than I would.

Maybe it's all a matter of how you define "take a polish."

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Non-oily surface that can be polish with shoe cream and then paste wax - that was what I meant. CXL can take a shine, but will never look dressy nor will the leather retain the shine.

 

FWIW, seeing some Horween CXL leather getting a coat of polish on them was like being eye-tortured. As soon as they get flexed, the finish looks way worse than hell.

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