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You seem to spend a great deal of time on a thread for a person who seems so outraged over the amount of discussion people have regarding shoe care. I would suggest you move on. You're the halfwit that shits up the thread with endless "noob _" bullshit posts, then calls out someone for not being able to take a joke. My reply was obviously a joke.


I'd say you're the "scummy hypocrite". As well as a troll.

ooh somebody got upset! 

you look foolish just hopping on and off the bandwagon. first you copy my joke, but your joke is in very poor taste and offensive. then you criticize me for making a joke which you just copied several posts above. if i "shit up the thread"...you just "shit it up even more" and did so in a cruel and derogatory manner. 

and at least i have contributed, numerous times, shoe care methods and procedures. read back. spit shining guides, how to use specific products, testing of products, and my very simple procedure for shoe care that anyone could grasp.

you have done nothing but reveal your hypocrisy! 

please, halt your temper tantrums. like i said previously, if you don't like it...block me. 


i joke and i criticize, but at the end of the day, my shoe care procedure is guaranteed to help people maintain their shoes for many many years. and i help people steer away from unnecessary spending on products they don't need. it is good help and it has been commended by numerous readers of this thread. 

I'm upset? Right.
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I'm upset? Right.

 

passive aggressive sarcasm...my point proven further...you have nothing to say because I am correct.

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How to Care For Your Shoes - The Definitive Guide to Saving Money, Saving Time, and Saving Your Shoes

 

1. Own multiple pairs of shoes and rotate their wear allowing at least 24-48 hours of rest in between use

2. Always use a shoe horn when putting on a shoe

3. When removing a shoe, always insert shoe trees. Own shoe trees for every quality leather dress shoe in your wardrobe.

4. Brush vigorously with a quality horsehair brush after each use

5. On rare occasion and very sparingly, apply a small amount of polish, rub throughout shoe upper in a circular motion. Let the shoes sit several minutes. Buff to a shine or brush to complete.

6. Once to twice a year, if you feel it is necessary, apply a very very small amount of Lexol to moisturize.

7. If shoes become wet, place in shoe trees, brush, and let sit until dry. Do not wear until thoroughly dry. Do not place in contact with any heat source, this will ruin your shoes.

 

 

There you go. Like I have said repeatedly, do this and your shoes will last an incredibly long time.

 

Now...if you really want to get advanced...we can discuss re-soling, when to re-sole, who to take it to, what procedure to undergo, etc. This is a more interesting topic...

 

But essentially for any beginner:

 

1. When a hole begins to wear in the sole it is time for your shoes to be re-soled

2. Do not continue to wear them if a hole develops, you can permanently damage the shoes beyond repair

3. If possible, return the shoe to the manufacturer/maker for a re-sole.

4. If not possible, find a highly qualified cobbler and ask in this thread for help before doing so. This way you will know what you are getting into, what the procedure should be, what to expect, and what are signs of quality work. 

 

There you go. Assuming you purchase your shoes simultaneously with shoe trees...you need to spend at most $20 on shoe care products...and you do not have to spend but a minute or two a day to ensure that your shoes are well cared for and that they will have long happy lives.

 

and yes, regarding the re-sole, i do have enough faith in certain members, that they could instruct a beginner on re-soling options and procedures. but many here have no idea what they are talking about and/or over think everything beyond use for anyone.

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DW, Nick,

 

I know I'm nothing more than a little brat shit for you two, but I hope you both, as seniors, would consider my words. I know you two would listen, therefore, please do.

 

We are all here because we care to share. We are not here to fare up against one to another. I know there are friction(s) between people, and while I don't appreciate that, it is primarily a reason why I am here.

 

It is not that difficult, for someone who has done closed-up observations, to realized the bitter truth of the friction between shoemaker(s) and the nature of Nick's business.

 

Still, as far as things went, I wouldn't bicker with someone if I don't feel like I'm being overly threatened. Overall, I support learning and observations, and I hope you two seniors can work out 

 

I mean, seriously, I love you both. I will have my soles being done at Nick's, and if I can live past my years here in Lynnwood, I will go to DW for an awesome and unique pair of footwear (DW, I know you won't work with shell, so I'll go with waxed calf).

 

The main point is, you two are seniors, so please, differences are rather fun to discuss than to argue against each other. 

 

Sincerely,

Travers.

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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post

DW, Nick,

I know I'm nothing more than a little brat shit for you two, but I hope you both, as seniors, would consider my words. I know you two would listen, therefore, please do.

We are all here because we care to share. We are not here to fare up against one to another. I know there are friction(s) between people, and while I don't appreciate that, it is primarily a reason why I am here.

It is not that difficult, for someone who has done closed-up observations, to realized the bitter truth of the friction between shoemaker(s) and the nature of Nick's business.

Still, as far as things went, I wouldn't bicker with someone if I don't feel like I'm being overly threatened. Overall, I support learning and observations, and I hope you two seniors can work out 

I mean, seriously, I love you both. I will have my soles being done at Nick's, and if I can live past my years here in Lynnwood, I will go to DW for an awesome and unique pair of footwear (DW, I know you won't work with shell, so I'll go with waxed calf).

The main point is, you two are seniors, so please, differences are rather fun to discuss than to argue against each other. 

Sincerely,
Travers.

Thanks and always happy to share when I can. It's not about business, it's about sharing knowledge. I see so many things on this thread that are more hurtful then helpful.
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Thanks and always happy to share when I can. It's not about business, it's about sharing knowledge. I see so many things on this thread that are more hurtful then helpful.

I know many of it hurts, that why some of it I just learn to ignore from when I started having shits thrown at. But overall, between you two, it should not be that much painful. 

 

Now, speaking of which, I am utterly disappointed with AE recrafting department. If I have my shoes and boots recraft in your facility, can I ask for a channeled JR sole? I don't wanna have my shoe coming back to their department again, so some spicing wouldn't hurt.


Edited by traverscao - 12/6/14 at 3:42am
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Damn, just spewed coffee all over my keyboard reading DW accusing someone of hubris and arrogance. :crackup: 

 

@benhour and @Nick V. - spot on about shoe care.  Doing nothing and doing too much are both paths that I would avoid.

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Damn, just spewed coffee all over my keyboard reading DW accusing someone of hubris and arrogance. :crackup: 

 

@benhour and @Nick V. - spot on about shoe care.  Doing nothing and doing too much are both paths that I would avoid.

Poor you, Roger.

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No, I don't "pretend" (using one of your now famous words on this site regarding me). I was not comparing myself to those greats. I was dispelling your ridiculous reasoning/logic.
I've said it before, I constantly discuss things with my guys in the shop. We exchange ideas. Some are mine some are there's. I respect and appreciate that.

Since you you brought it up, My " little business" is FAR LARGER than yours at it's height.

And no, as usually your are wrong with me.

My suppliers? Wrong again, in many cases I advise them. They don't always listen. So, I bring my own products in to cater to my markets demand.

Still, love your Dad's saying. Maybe you should abide by it.


You do pretend. You are one of the most pretentious and inauthentic people on this forum. You have "encouraged" people to believe that you are a shoe repairman; that you know and understand and actually repair shoes.

And it's not true. It never was true. It's a lie. By your own admission.

Whether your little business is larger than mine is immaterial. I never, ever wanted my business to be big. My goals in life were not, are not, to be "big." They were to to master skills, to preserve those techniques and knowledge to the best of my ability, and understand and to pass that knowledge on.

Right now, this very second, with what I have on hand, with no further preparation, I can do a half sole without inadvertently creating a met bar; I can do a full sole entirely by hand or with machines, with cement or without; I can make a pair of shoes or boots to the highest Traditional standards; and I can teach someone who is a complete neophyte how to do those same things.

Whatever the size of your business...or, more aptly, the size of your pretensions...you can't do any of that.

Because you have never done it.

And because you have never done it, you don't understand it. Because you don't understand it, you can't explain it. All you can do is run a scam where you pose as someone you aren't and never will be.

You're like the wizard of OZ, hiding behind a facade.
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Damn, just spewed coffee all over my keyboard reading DW accusing someone of hubris and arrogance.

That's the only thing you are good at RogerPseudo--spewing.

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Edited by DWFII - 12/6/14 at 6:37am
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I mean, seriously, I love you both. I will have my soles being done at Nick's,

Yes, you'll have your shoes done at Nick's but it won't be Nick doing it. Because when you get right down to it, Nick doesn't know how to do it. Simply because he's never done it.

Oh, he knows the drill--the theory and the proper sequence of steps. But there's a world of difference between knowing the theory and owning the skill and the knowledge...in your hands, in your muscles, in your very soul.

And it's a big, big world...that "world of difference"...one I fear he's gotten lost in.

Probably looking for his good buddy AndrewC.

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Edited by DWFII - 12/6/14 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post
 

Poor you, Roger.


Don't worry - the keyboard survived.  I do regret the loss of the coffee - seriously good stuff - but very much worth the laugh.

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Don't worry - the keyboard survived.  I do regret the loss of the coffee - seriously good stuff - but very much worth the laugh.

As you put it, man!
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Yes, you'll have your shoes done at Nick's but it won't be Nick doing it. Because when you get right down to it, Nick doesn't know how to do it. Simply because he's never done it.

Oh, he knows the drill--the theory and the proper sequence of steps. But there's a world of difference between knowing the theory and owning the skill and the knowledge...in your hands, in your muscles, in your very soul.

And it's a big, big world...that "world of difference"...one I fear he's gotten lost in.

Probably looking for his good buddy AndrewC.

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DW, please, calm down and take it easy.
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PCK, the elitism of your posts is seriously nauseating. I am not a fan of people coming into this with unsupported opinions which they throw around as absolute facts, but this is forum is for sharing information and exchanging knowledge, and correcting them with knowledge is a far more correct than doing it with petty posts. I have been a noob myself, applying various shoe care products to my shoes with the belief and "knowledge" that it was maintaining and even ameliorating the leather - but the knowledge shared here has helped me tremendously in understanding the effect of these products and that my opinion wasn't always correct.

 

Someone can't take a joke. If you don't want to see my posts anymore then block me. 

 

Shoe care products are by and large highly unnecessary. Shoe Care is a dying industry and the few remaining brands have come out with all kinds of ridiculous noise to try and market to the few people who continue to care for their shoes. None of these items are necessary. The only thing that has changed about Shoe Care is that fewer and fewer people care for their shoes and the masses don't wear leather like they did 50 years ago.

 

When you go to a website like the Hanger Project...and you see Kirby Allison's videos and posts about all of these things your shoes need...you should laugh...because the only reason those are there are from him to try and sell you all of these things by making you think you need them....you don't need any of them. 

 

To paraphrase what DW has said in the past -  leather is skin...and you should treat it like that...would you put all of that stuff on your skin?

 

This is how you care for your shoes:

 

1. Use a shoe horn

2. Use shoe trees on every pair

3. On a rare occasion, very sparingly apply some polish

4. If you are particularly anal, you can use a moisturizer once to twice a year

5. If shoes get wet, place shoe trees in shoe and leave for however long it takes to dry. do not place in contact with a heat source - this will ruin your shoes.

6. Buy a couple pairs of quality shoes and wear them in rotation letting the other pairs have at least 24 to 48 hours of rest in between use.

 

If you do exactly this, your shoes may outlive you. 

 

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+1. Seriously, enough already.

 

Says the guy that jumped on the bandwagon and posted the below...which is perhaps the only truly offensive post ridiculing people who actually need medication for mental health purposes. 

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noob 15: did I take my meds?  Should I up the dosage? 

 

you sir, are a scummy hypocrite. 

 

 
 
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let me summarize the last 803 pages of this thread

 

noob: i put 36 different shoe care products on my shoe every three nights and two months later they are destroyed....what did i do wrong??? all the shoe care companies said i have to use all of these things regularly or my shoes will be destroyed!

 

noob 2: no no no, you didn't apply them right. so and so said this on his blog and he is an expert. you did it all wrong you idiot...do it this way.

 

noob 3: no idiot, you are the idiot. so and so's blog is for idiot's like you. you have to do it this way when the moon is at this position in the sky and after you hopped on a pogo stick for 3 hours.

 

noob 4: shell sucks

 

noob 5: i wear shell everyday. it is the best. i go fishing and i wear my shell boots because they are awesome in the water. they are more waterproof than a nuclear submarine.

 

noob 6: my couch is made of shell and my cat scratched it and noob 5 told me if i use these 82 different products it will fix it but my couch smells like shit now and my cat committed suicide.

 

noob 7: shoe care products are for idiots. you only need the basics.

 

noob 8: noob 7 is wrong! don't listen to his heresy! you have to use these things or your shoes will be ruined.

 

noob 7: noob 8 is a bastard who only buys allen edmonds factory seconds!

 

noob 8: hey! how dare you diss allen edmonds factory seconds! AE are an internationally renowned quality shoe making establishment.

 

noob 7: i know i know, i love AE, they are by far the best shoes ever made. I can't imagine why anyone would spend $5000 on bespoke shoes when they could get AE's, which are better quality and fit than bespoke. and i know about bespoke because i read so and so's blog and he is a bespoke expert and he said AE is better.

 

noob 9: i just ate three cases of Glen Karen's shoe cream. it is an excellent topping on vanilla ice cream! 

 

@PCK1: How is this in any way related to shoe care? 

 

My response: 

 

noob 15: did I take my meds?  Should I up the dosage?

 

 

This was clearly in response to your post- what I was referring to as "shitting up the thread" earlier. But you took offense- quote:

 

"Says the guy that jumped on the bandwagon and posted the below...which is perhaps the only truly offensive post ridiculing people who actually need medication for mental health purposes."

 

So, it's ok for you to insult everyone else who comes here for shoe care advice, but my response is offensive? This was why I stated perhaps YOU are the "scummy hypocrite"; (way to be the adult, btw- who's insulting who now?) You've posted your shoe care regimen at least three times (UNSOLICITED, I might add) in the last 15 pages. I think I speak for the thread- we've got it! 

 

I looked at your profile; just because you own a lot of expensive shoes, does not make you an expert. News flash: you come off like a condescending blowhard. 

 

Hence:

 

Originally Posted by cbfn View Post

"PCK, the elitism of your posts is seriously nauseating. I am not a fan of people coming into this with unsupported opinions which they throw around as absolute facts, but this is forum is for sharing information and exchanging knowledge, and correcting them with knowledge is a far more correct than doing it with petty posts. I have been a noob myself, applying various shoe care products to my shoes with the belief and "knowledge" that it was maintaining and even ameliorating the leather - but the knowledge shared here has helped me tremendously in understanding the effect of these products and that my opinion wasn't always correct."

 

Apologies to everyone else. 

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