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Travers, I appreciate that you don't feel happy about some of the things about you that have been posted here. You clearly want to share your knowledge and experience with other people. As you know, there are some very experienced contributors on this thread. We can all learn from shoemakers and those who have a deep knowledge about everything related to shoes. We can often learn a lot from listening, rather than talking. I have learned that it is easy to 'over post.' Do, at least, consider whether or not you need to express a view on everything that is posted by other people. Take some time out, perhaps and listen to others. Regards, Munky.

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Travers, I appreciate that you don't feel happy about some of the things about you that have been posted here. You clearly want to share your knowledge and experience with other people. As you know, there are some very experienced contributors on this thread. We can all learn from shoemakers and those who have a deep knowledge about everything related to shoes. We can often learn a lot from listening, rather than talking. I have learned that it is easy to 'over post.' Do, at least, consider whether or not you need to express a view on everything that is posted by other people. Take some time out, perhaps and listen to others. Regards, Munky.

Munky, I really have to say, you are one of the most respectable threader so far. Seriously. I really appreciate all the given advices and so on, and as you know, I have the will to learn. However, getting dissed isn't exactly cool. 

 

I'll keep that advice in mind, though.

 

Again, thanks and appreciate.

post #11733 of 19057
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only in the event they thought they might starve and so had to eat their boots.

 

also you dont even know who dave is so why the hatred? 

 

and i did bring forth plenty of evidence, many people corroborated my experiences. this is more useful than your hypothetical mumbo jumbo you read on some blog...

So now you're calling this thread a blog. Funny guy, sarcastically.

 

Dave, no, I've not talked to him, and I've seen the bickering between many people and him. However, I am myself, Travers, and don't you go make me someone else.

 

I don't have the patient to upload as many pictures as most threaders here. However, it isn't up to you to diss people's opinions. 

 

Furthermore, no, no troops ate their boots. Cooking grease here simply means beef tallow.

 

You don't even ask and just charge forth with sarcasm on people. That is sad.

post #11734 of 19057
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Information, even of the "good" or factual kind can be very dangerous in the wrong hands...

That pretty much sums up this thread.

Point taken.

post #11735 of 19057
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post

Exactly. And they were all taken care with cooking grease or black ball wax, right?

I suspect it depended upon who and what conditions were extant.

Most of the officers and gentry would have a servant to "black" their boots. AFAIK, that would have consisted of the sizing and chimney soot, and vigorous burnishing. And not much else.

And BTW, there seems to be some confusion about whether is is "wax calf" or "waxed calf." I've always heard it called waxed calf and Horween...one of a very few that still manufactures a waxed calf (albeit an ersatz waxed calf) calls it "waxed calf."



That said, it's a very specific thing in that part of the Trade that I am involved in.

But whatever it is called, it is not simply a hide that has been heavily waxed or oiled...that in itself may result in a good quality leather. But the old "Waxed calf" is near as legendary and a sought after as Russia calf.
post #11736 of 19057
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I suspect it depended upon who and what conditions were extant.

Most of the officers and gentry would have a servant to "black" their boots. AFAIK, That would have been the sizing and chimney soot , and vigorous burnishing.

And BTW, there seems to be some confusion about whether is is "wax calf" or "waxed calf." I've always heard it called waxed calf and Horween...one of a very few that still manufactures a waxed calf...albeit an ersatz waxed calf....calls it "waxed calf."

But whatever it is called, it is not simply a hide that has been heavily waxed or oiled...that in itself may result in a good quality leather. But the old "Waxed calf" is near as legendary and a sought after as Russia calf.

http://www.najecki.com/repro/Haversack.html#blackball

 

http://hemlocks.vermontcivilwar.org/impress7.php

 

http://www.jarnaginco.com/leather%20definitions%20index.htm

 

http://www.jarnaginco.com/leather%20care%20article.htm

 

http://www.jarnaginco.com/leather%20preservation.htm

 

http://www.jarnaginco.com/leather%20preservation%20original.htm

 

Perhaps many of the guys on the links above were just jabbering to sell their products, even so, this is what I have with me. I hope an analytical view from someone like you might as well come up with something for us all.

 

There are vague mentions of black ball application in Najecki site, however, for which, I have much belief in the citation given there on the black ball section.

post #11737 of 19057
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You wait for me to do something so that you can come up with an accusation, huh?

You like to see something bad out of my face, then shout it out loud to people that I said something to you, then dump shits on my face, I suppose?

I thought I could have paid respects to you, but I guess you just lost your self-esteem.
Not at all! I'm just interested is all. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post in public.
Oh, my self esteem is just fine
post #11738 of 19057
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Most of those sites are geared towards re-enactors.

You know what a "Bob" is? It's someone who wants to appear like he is knowledgeable (in a world where thread count is important if not critical) but doesn't really want to put forth the effort. So he wears a flannel plaid shirt from Sears, hoping it looks like something that would be worn in the 1860's. Unfortunately he's the only one who doesn't know any better. It is said that he would be "Better Off Bowling."

We have lots of "Bobs" on this forum--people who want you to believe they know what they are talking about but don't want to actually do the work much less get their hands dirty.

I am not a re-enactor but I get a lot of the historical information (including my recipe and knowledge about "Waxed calf") from the head shoemaker, and head of the shoemaking faculty, at Colonial Williamsburg. He is also one of the foremost (top three?) shoe historians in the world. And a protege' of June Swann who probably is the foremost shoe historian in the world.

Bottom line don't trust the re-enactor sites...they're doing the best they can but I've never seen a pair of real waxed calf brogans or boots on any of those sites--it's all just greased up fleshside cow.
post #11739 of 19057
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Not at all! I'm just interested is all. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post in public.
Oh, my self esteem is just fine

Good if you're interest. I'm Travers, not Dave. No thanks.

post #11740 of 19057
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Most of those sites are geared towards re-enactors.

You know what a "Bob" is? It's someone who wants to appear like he is knowledgeable (in a world where thread count is important if not critical) but doesn't really want to put forth the effort. So he wears a flannel plaid shirt from Sears, hoping it looks like something that would be worn in the 1860's. Unfortunately he's the only one who doesn't know any better. It is said that he would be "Better Off Bowling."

We have lots of "Bobs" on this forum--people who want you to believe they know what they are talking about but don't want to actually do the work much less get their hands dirty.

I am not a re-enactor but I get a lot of the historical information (including my recipe and knowledge about "Waxed calf") from the head shoemaker, and head of the shoemaking faculty, at Colonial Williamsburg. He is also one of the foremost (top three?) shoe historians in the world. And a protege' of June Swann who probably is the foremost shoe historian in the world.

Bottom line don't trust the re-enactor sites...they're doing the best they can but I've never seen a pair of real waxed calf brogans or boots on any of those sites--it's all just greased up fleshside cow.

Thanks for the info then.

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Thanks for the info then.


Yr. Hmb. Svt.

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Yr. Hmb. Svt.

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The citations that they used, are they even real, if I may ask?

post #11743 of 19057
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post

Good if you're interest. I'm Travers, not Dave. No thanks.
Fair enough, Dave
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Fair enough, Dave

Do I have to drop my respect for you? Cause you don't seems to respect my preference. 

post #11745 of 19057
Travers, do you use a different product on the shoes you wear in rainy conditions on the weekends, as opposed to the weekdays? Also, do you use a different product to protect against spring rain as opposed to autumn rain?
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