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post #1171 of 8998
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Originally Posted by SHS View Post

I think that the answer to my own question is that it would be better to use this product:
http://www.valmour.com/catalogue/index.php?action=consulter&rewrite=1&id=41&id_cdt=52&id_couleur=3
I have not tried it yet, but I think that I will use it on my leather bag someday.

I'll look into that! However, you want to be careful of using anything with a wax on leather goods. What happens is that the layer of wax can get over all of your clothes.

The Leather Lotion is essentially a diluted Renovatuer and is perfect for leather goods, including furniture. Because it's mink oil-based, you get the conditioning but without the waxes that would get over all your clothes.

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post #1172 of 8998
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Need some expert help as well. Two days ago I polished my new pair of A&S Culford boots, and tried to get a high shine on the toe caps. I nailed the first one, but the second boot went crazy and went from tan to dark brown where I was polishing (probably too much moisture), so I let them sit for 24 hourse until yesterday hoping the moisture hadn't gone away, but it hadn't changed. I was afriad that the moisture was trapped behind the wax, so I removed it with neutral wax, which also removed the finish it came with (OH SHI-). So I sat there and saw the pale, raw leather, and thought I should try too treat it with some lexol cond., some Reno and then wax on to get the color back, and it didn't work, and went all dark brown again. I then stripped the front of both boots, and are noe thinking of just letting them dry completely before I start with some wax, good idea?

Sounds like a disaster. Post pictures.

Using neutral wax to remove wax is kind of a dumb idea. You probably have a shit load of build-up.
post #1173 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Christian B View Post

Need some expert help as well. Two days ago I polished my new pair of A&S Culford boots, and tried to get a high shine on the toe caps. I nailed the first one, but the second boot went crazy and went from tan to dark brown where I was polishing (probably too much moisture), so I let them sit for 24 hourse until yesterday hoping the moisture hadn't gone away, but it hadn't changed. I was afriad that the moisture was trapped behind the wax, so I removed it with neutral wax, which also removed the finish it came with (OH SHI-). So I sat there and saw the pale, raw leather, and thought I should try too treat it with some lexol cond., some Reno and then wax on to get the color back, and it didn't work, and went all dark brown again. I then stripped the front of both boots, and are noe thinking of just letting them dry completely before I start with some wax, good idea?

Sorry to say, but it must have been a cheap original finish if it came off so easily. You should be able to build the finish back up using cream polishes. You may have to apply several coats to achieve your desired saturation. You should be fine, though, after a little work. And if the finish did in fact come off that easily, then it should be nice to start from scratch.

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post #1174 of 8998
If anyone can provide any guidance on my issues here, I would be most grateful:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/285077/weird-creasing-of-alden-nst-cordovan
post #1175 of 8998
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If anyone can provide any guidance on my issues here, I would be most grateful:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/285077/weird-creasing-of-alden-nst-cordovan

This is normal. I would lightly apply some Saphir Renovateur, let dry and lightly buff wth a horsehair brush.
post #1176 of 8998
I'm no expert on Cordovan, but I understand that it's core property is a really tight, compressed pore / fiber structure. Apparently when the tannery is completing the leather, a glass bottle is used to compress the leather.

It is important that the pores not be allowed to expand. This is why Saphir has a specific Cordovan Polish that does not contain turpentine, which is a solvent used to penetrate the pores to deliver nutrients. Saphir's MDO polish for smooth leathers uses a pine-based turpentine specifically to penetrate deep into the leather to deliver the nutrients. However, if this is used on cordovan, it can cause the pores to expand.

Below is a picture of an experiment I did to compare the difference in penetration between Saphir's Cordovan Polish (left) and their MDO Pommadier Polish (right). You can see that Pommadier Polish penetrates much deeper into the paper than the Cordovan Polish. This is due to the presence of turpentine.

A little more difficult to see is that both still leave a layer of wax (but neither as thick as with the Pate de Luxe wax polish).
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It is possible that the water caused the pores to expand, which is why the shoe is creasing.

You could use a Deer Bone to try to re-compress the pores and smooth out the creasing. The Deer Bone is specifically used for this purpose - and only on Cordovan (don't try to use it on a pair of calf skin shoes).

Hope this helps.

Sorry about the shoes!
Edited by kirbya - 1/27/12 at 8:55am

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post #1177 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

Well - of course it's not completely up to the status of the 'Real Deal'. If it were I'd be taking in shoe shines at $400 a pop. crackup[1].gif
A certain amount of what they accomplish is via dye in the leather - and I'm not going to go there in any case.

It can also be accomplished by simply using a darker polish in certain areas.
post #1178 of 8998
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post


Sounds like a disaster. Post pictures.
Using neutral wax to remove wax is kind of a dumb idea. You probably have a shit load of build-up.


not according to olga berluti.  she uses neutral wax, dubbing and regular wax to shine shoes.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gysWWVD7cE

post #1179 of 8998
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post



not according to olga berluti.  she uses neutral wax, dubbing and regular wax to shine shoes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gysWWVD7cE

Ok, maybe to shine shoes, but to think you are going to remove wax with wax is retarded.
post #1180 of 8998
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

It can also be accomplished by simply using a darker polish in certain areas.

Yes - that is part of the process I used on the Drummonds in question. And using darker cream polish on just the brouging is also a good way to get some 'patina' going.
post #1181 of 8998
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Ok, maybe to shine shoes, but to think you are going to remove wax with wax is retarded.

Well, it removed the wax I had put on there, so it wasn't all bad. I see now that the colour is still there, it's just a bit dark on the cap toe, which I suppose is a water stain. Does anybody know how to remove such a stain?
post #1182 of 8998
I just updated my previous post on the cordovan. Take a look at the picture! Pretty interesting stuff!

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post #1183 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Christian B View Post

Well, it removed the wax I had put on there, so it wasn't all bad. I see now that the colour is still there, it's just a bit dark on the cap toe, which I suppose is a water stain. Does anybody know how to remove such a stain?

Post pictures. I don't believe you that your wax removed the wax.
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The shoe on the right had a mirror finish before.
post #1185 of 8998
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Originally Posted by Christian B View Post

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The shoe on the right had a mirror finish before.

All of that dullness, and lack of grain could just be from wax build-up. If you want to start from scratch I would use renomat, or angelus deglazer and a lot of elbow great on the caps to get a lot of the finish off. Then build up a few thin layers using a cream polish. Then a wax layer, buff and then start the mirror routine.
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