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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

As my mother used to remind me, I am not as daft as I look!

Complete opposite of what my mother used to remind me!
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On balance, Patrick, I think you mother was probably right!  :crackup:

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I sent an e-mail this morning to one of the owners of Saphir and Tarrago brands. We are friends.
Here is what he wrote back:

Saphir Renovateur 75 ml. is a water based product, which is non oily and contains mink oil and lanolin.

Saphir Nappa Renovateur 75 ml., which is another formula, contains jojoba oil and wheat proteins, water based also. For very very delicate leathers, like nappa.

So NO turpentine! You can post that , for sure.
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Thank you Nick - thanks to both you and Benour! I have put Renovateur back in my shoe cleaning box. These things are really important to me and turpentine gives me major problems. 

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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Renovateur doesn't contain turpentine. It is water based. The polishes do contain turpentine.

I always thought Reno was turp based... Silly me.. Thanks for that insight, Pat.

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Originally Posted by PattyC View Post

silly question but are these considered "pre-topied"? the stitching on the sole is still visible so I'm not sure. even if I wanted to have something put over them would a cobbler be able to grind down the rubber?


Looks like this is another version without the shank area stained black:
http://www.paulsmith.co.uk/us-en/shop/mens/shoes/men-s-tan-leather-knight-wingtip-brogues.html

If that's the case it's a combination leather sole with a built in rubber inlay.
No need to put a sole guard on them. You are already getting the benefit of that with the rubber.
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I thought the only difference between creams and waxes was the presence of more solvent to make the wax, well, creamy. Glenjay would probably know better though.

It is actually a much broader subject than that. There are a number of shoe care products that are creams that may, or may not, contain solvents or waxes. Cream conditioners for example may have neither, and leather honeys may have wax but little to no solvent.

More specifically, products defined as shoe “polish” will typically have both wax and solvent, and the balance of the ratio between the two plays a substantial role in defining it as a cream or a “wax” (paste).

It is also possible to have oils play a more predominate role in the polish composition, but polishes will almost always have a wax base to produce the shine (which is smoothed to a shiny surface with a brush or cotton cloth).

The type of wax can also play a role in the stiffness of the polish; for example a polish using just beeswax as the wax source would be much softer that a polish using just carnauba wax as the wax source (there is an article on my blog that covers the hardness of various waxes).

I would say however, as a general rule, it is the balance of solvent to wax that determines if a polish is a cream or not.
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Originally Posted by Nick V. View Post

I sent an e-mail this morning to one of the owners of Saphir and Tarrago brands. We are friends.
Here is what he wrote back:

Saphir Renovateur 75 ml. is a water based product, which is non oily and contains mink oil and lanolin.

Saphir Nappa Renovateur 75 ml., which is another formula, contains jojoba oil and wheat proteins, water based also. For very very delicate leathers, like nappa.

So NO turpentine! You can post that , for sure.

That's good to know...I guess others have said it before in reference to Reno specifically. But thank you for that.

It's just too damn bad that you have to be "friends" with them to get an unequivocal answer. I've asked and asked and asked ...a number of companies--I guess I don't buy enough product from them. Maybe it's just a sign of the times--no one knows how to be 'up front" or speak the truth anymore.
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Originally Posted by Nick V. View Post

Looks like this is another version without the shank area stained black:
http://www.paulsmith.co.uk/us-en/shop/mens/shoes/men-s-tan-leather-knight-wingtip-brogues.html

If that's the case it's a combination leather sole with a built in rubber inlay.
No need to put a sole guard on them. You are already getting the benefit of that with the rubber.

That one isn't sewn in the forepart and an edge on view clearly shows that it is an overlay of something very like Topy or other sole guards ...perhaps a bit thicker.
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

That's good to know...I guess others have said it before in reference to Reno specifically. But thank you for that.

It's just too damn bad that you have to be "friends" with them to get an unequivocal answer. I've asked and asked and asked ...a number of companies--I guess I don't buy enough product from them. Maybe it's just a sign of the times--no one knows how to be 'up front" or speak the truth anymore.

It has nothing to do with how much product I purchase. It has to do with relationships that I have established over the years. Those relationships turned into friendships built on mutual trust and respect .
I can't tell you how often I see comments in this forum that are totally false and conjured up and since those comments are written, the words turn some into believers. Sometimes I'll print what I know are the facts told to me by CEO'S and Presidents other times I won't. The times I won't it's because such information was told to me in confidence. They will tell me that their is a clause in the transaction agreement that says such and such information is not to be released to the public. If it is there's a breech and legal action will follow. None the less people will post derogatory comments that couldn't be further from the truth. It irritates me when I read some of those comments but it doesn't seem to bother the owners, Presidents and, CEO's. after-all, it's business and big business in the shoe industry.
They won't and sometimes can't allow themselves to be distracted by such comments.
I'm not being naive here....but these people have a true passion for what they do. Many can easily retire knowing that their great Grandchildren wouldn't have to work a day in their lives (not even born yet). But, they have a love for the business and to compete to be the best at their price-points. They have a keen sense on what their markets are. To see them disrespected the way they often are is disgraceful.

DW, getting back to your point. I understand what you're saying. That's why I went to the CEO. I knew He would be direct with His answer to me. It's actually a service to the forum and to Him to clarify.
I am in no way speaking for Him or representing Him but IMO it comes down to the C.Y.A. syndrome......It could be that a rep for a company is not willing to divulge information because it could get him/her into hot water. It's the old question we were taught in school, is the risk worth the reward? Put yourself in a rep's shoes....how much information would you be willing to divulge knowing you could wind up in the hot seat as a result of your honest answer being misconstrued and indelibly put into print. Add to that, that you have mouths to feed. Would you do it?

Yup, it's shame but that's what we brought ourselves to.
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Well, here's a question for Glenjay...or anyone else who can offer insight: How do you make a product "non-oily" when one of the primary ingredients is mink oil? Or Lanolin? Or jojoba oil?

Colour me curious.
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My guess would be less oil and more wax, or emulsified with water.
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

My guess would be less oil and more wax, or emulsified with water.


And if there is no wax in the recipe?

Also what does emulsification with water do? Does it eliminate the oil or oiliness? I always thought emulsification broke down large molecules into much finer molecules, but even then oil is oil, isn't it?
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Yeah, I just always thought the oil was broken down and trapped within the water molecules so once applied it plumps up the leather and then the water evaporates leaving the oil behind. It seems that it is a way to not oversaturate leather with oil.
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Well, here's a question for Glenjay...or anyone else who can offer insight: How do you make a product "non-oily" when one of the primary ingredients is mink oil? Or Lanolin? Or jojoba oil?

Colour me curious.

My guess is if it "contains" those ingredients it's one thing. Those ingredients being "primary" is another.
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