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post #11206 of 19043

Travers, it amuses me how you have recently become the self-appointed 'expert' on all matters of shoes and shoe care. Given the experience and expertise of a considerable number of people on here, it might be better to give it a rest for a bit. A bit of humility might not go amiss. 

post #11207 of 19043
Quoted from the leather quality thread..
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Member Glenjay has a great explanation of rancidity of oils here: http://oldleathershoe.com/wordpress/?m=201301

People in this thread who are unsure about what product to use and what this chemical or that conditioner / cream / polish / cleaner will do to their shoes ought to read all the posts in Glen's blog.

I am a shoemaker, not a chemist, but I was struck by how much my practical, decades long experiences at the bench agrees with Glen's deep and thorough research. February and March of 2013 seemed pertinent to me, as well as August of 2013.

Frankly, Glen and pB are probably the most knowledgeable people with regard to shoe care on all of SF. And for those wanting to know how to deal with new shoes, old shoes, shell, most leathers, etc., you can't find more authentic and authoritative information anywhere.

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post #11208 of 19043
Thanks for that, but I've only learned from you and Glen! :hatsoff:
post #11209 of 19043
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Thanks for that, but I've only learned from you and Glen! :hatsoff:

I don't think so...you have your own voice (did I mention authentic?) and I am sincere when I say that I have probably learned as much from you and Glen as you might have learned from me.

And, for me, the real bonus is that you're willing to learn (not everyone is) ...as I hope am I.
post #11210 of 19043

I really do not mean to disrespect anyone and I've come to appreciate everyone's help here. I've learned so much from reading all the information given to us by you guys and I'm very grateful for that. I'm going to guess no one will disagree with this and all respect your experiences and qualifications.

 

However, I'd like to bring up a very sensitive topic which actually pertains to every forum out there that I've visited. I too am a very experienced veteran of a forum for one of my hobbies - audio. There are similar situations in which people who are not very experienced contribute their thoughts and experiences to those who are new and looking to absorb information. Most of the time, we veterans read such posts and scoff at them because they're either so inaccurate, regurgitating, or speak as though they have experience with items that they actually do not have. They should not be doing this but I'd like ask, who are we to stop them from posting what they want to post? We obviously do have the right to correct misinformation, but to silence them? Unless these people are challenging and undermining our genuine knowledge and experiences, they should have all the right in the world to speak what they desire to express, and they shall be corrected or guided in the right direction. 

 

Most of the time I've found these people to be generally accepting of such help but I've only had problems with disrespectful assholes who actually dared to challenge my knowledge with their non-existent experiences, assumptions and theory.

 

Again I do not mean to point at or disrespect anyone.

post #11211 of 19043
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Originally Posted by SushiOfTheGods View Post
 

I really do not mean to disrespect anyone and I've come to appreciate everyone's help here. I've learned so much from reading all the information given to us by you guys and I'm very grateful for that. I'm going to guess no one will disagree with this and all respect your experiences and qualifications.

 

However, I'd like to bring up a very sensitive topic which actually pertains to every forum out there that I've visited. I too am a very experienced veteran of a forum for one of my hobbies - audio. There are similar situations in which people who are not very experienced contribute their thoughts and experiences to those who are new and looking to absorb information. Most of the time, we veterans read such posts and scoff at them because they're either so inaccurate, regurgitating, or speak as though they have experience with items that they actually do not have. They should not be doing this but I'd like ask, who are we to stop them from posting what they want to post? We obviously do have the right to correct misinformation, but to silence them? Unless these people are challenging and undermining our genuine knowledge and experiences, they should have all the right in the world to speak what they desire to express, and they shall be corrected or guided in the right direction. 

 

Most of the time I've found these people to be generally accepting of such help but I've only had problems with disrespectful assholes who actually dared to challenge my knowledge with their non-existent experiences, assumptions and theory.

 

Again I do not mean to point at or disrespect anyone.

Thanks for such thoughtful post. Hats off to you, sir.

post #11212 of 19043
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Originally Posted by Munky View Post
 

Travers, it amuses me how you have recently become the self-appointed 'expert' on all matters of shoes and shoe care. Given the experience and expertise of a considerable number of people on here, it might be better to give it a rest for a bit. A bit of humility might not go amiss. 

I never called myself an expert in anyway, and I would actually refuse that title, thank you. I live with my flaws and accept them, and one of them is, even if my theory is wrong, I will always accept any form(s) of correction(s).

post #11213 of 19043
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Originally Posted by SushiOfTheGods View Post

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I really do not mean to disrespect anyone and I've come to appreciate everyone's help here. I've learned so much from reading all the information given to us by you guys and I'm very grateful for that. I'm going to guess no one will disagree with this and all respect your experiences and qualifications.

However, I'd like to bring up a very sensitive topic which actually pertains to every forum out there that I've visited. I too am a very experienced veteran of a forum for one of my hobbies - audio. There are similar situations in which people who are not very experienced contribute their thoughts and experiences to those who are new and looking to absorb information. Most of the time, we veterans read such posts and scoff at them because they're either so inaccurate, regurgitating, or speak as though they have experience with items that they actually do not have. They should not be doing this but I'd like ask, who are we to stop them from posting what they want to post? We
obviously do have the right to correct misinformation, but to silence them? Unless these people are challenging and undermining our genuine knowledge and experiences, they should have all the right in the world to speak what they desire to express, and they shall be corrected or guided in the right direction. 

Most of the time I've found these people to be generally accepting of such help but I've only had problems with disrespectful assholes who actually dared to challenge my knowledge with their non-existent experiences, assumptions and theory.

Again I do not mean to point at or disrespect anyone.

Every forum has such people...we have our share...fortunately it is a short list.

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov, column in Newsweek (21 January 1980) [emphasis mine]
post #11214 of 19043
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Originally Posted by SushiOfTheGods View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I really do not mean to disrespect anyone and I've come to appreciate everyone's help here. I've learned so much from reading all the information given to us by you guys and I'm very grateful for that. I'm going to guess no one will disagree with this and all respect your experiences and qualifications.

However, I'd like to bring up a very sensitive topic which actually pertains to every forum out there that I've visited. I too am a very experienced veteran of a forum for one of my hobbies - audio. There are similar situations in which people who are not very experienced contribute their thoughts and experiences to those who are new and looking to absorb information. Most of the time, we veterans read such posts and scoff at them because they're either so inaccurate, regurgitating, or speak as though they have experience with items that they actually do not have. They should not be doing this but I'd like ask, who are we to stop them from posting what they want to post? We obviously do have the right to correct misinformation, but to silence them? Unless these people are challenging and undermining our genuine knowledge and experiences, they should have all the right in the world to speak what they desire to express, and they shall be corrected or guided in the right direction. 

Most of the time I've found these people to be generally accepting of such help but I've only had problems with disrespectful assholes who actually dared to challenge my knowledge with their non-existent experiences, assumptions and theory.

Again I do not mean to point at or disrespect anyone.

Not sure you'll welcome this, but it's worth a gander...at least to the section that begins "Doctor, Doctor.'"

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/SelfApptdExp.htm
post #11215 of 19043
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post


Not sure you'll welcome this, but it's worth a gander...at least to the section that begins "Doctor, Doctor.'"

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/SelfApptdExp.htm

Sounds convincing. Great find!

post #11216 of 19043
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post

Sounds convincing. Great find!

Yes, it's worth reading and really thinking about...at least for some people.

For me, much of it seems common sense...if a trifle belaboured.

But for others it's certainly politically incorrect and insensitive...if not a reality too harsh and too stark for comfort, much less consideration.

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Edited by DWFII - 10/20/14 at 1:33pm
post #11217 of 19043

I fully appreciate what you are saying, Sushi. Everyone has a right to say anything, on the internet, but that doesn't mean that it is all good. Sometimes, listening and absorbing information from others, is better than talking. There are a number of experts on here from which we can all learn. I'm not one of them but I really appreciate their wisdom. 

post #11218 of 19043
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post


Yes, it's worth reading and really thinking about...at least for some people.

For me, much of it seems common sense...if a trifle belaboured.

But for others it's certainly politically incorrect and insensitive...if not a reality too harsh and to stark for comfort, much less consideration.

What is kinda funny here is, I don't mean to offend anybody at all, nor rejecting their knowledge, nor claiming myself an "expert" of any kind, nor would I detest advices and recommendations, and still, regardless, even in real life, I would always be the one who had to get the negative look for pretty much all the time, not sometimes.

 

Hell, I guess this is partially one of the reason I would prefer to sit at home, talking to you folks on our forum here, or else just pull my shell footwears out and give 'em brushing.

 

If there is a wish that needs to come true, then mine would be, "Keep this forum fun". 

post #11219 of 19043
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Every forum has such people...we have our share...fortunately it is a short list.

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov, column in Newsweek (21 January 1980) [emphasis mine]

Too much emphasis on "my feelings towards the facts" and not enough on "facts themselves".
post #11220 of 19043
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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

I fully appreciate what you are saying, Sushi. Everyone has a right to say anything, on the internet, but that doesn't mean that it is all good. Sometimes, listening and absorbing information from others, is better than talking. There are a number of experts on here from which we can all learn. I'm not one of them but I really appreciate their wisdom. 

I think that's right and I sympathize. It's what Asimov was implying--just because you can or have the right, doesn't mean that you should...or that it is correct, much less seemly to do so.

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