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post #11116 of 19067
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Originally Posted by SoGent View Post
 

 

   pate de luxe is wax & pommadier is cream

   I believe Medaille D'Or are the newer formulations and cover both wax and cream

Medaille L'Dor literally means "Gold Medal". I wonder if there are any real purpose to a shoe polish competition anyway...

post #11117 of 19067
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Originally Posted by traverscao View Post
 

 I wonder if there are any real purpose to a shoe polish competition anyway...

11,000 posts in this thread, entirely for the purpose of a shoe polish competition! :nest:

 

Carry on :) and keep up the fine work.

post #11118 of 19067
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Originally Posted by MDeKelver View Post
 

11,000 posts in this thread, entirely for the purpose of a shoe polish competition! :nest:

 

Carry on :) and keep up the fine work.

LOL thanks. 

post #11119 of 19067

I'm a newb, this is my second post, I'm reposting this here as there's a gread deal of knowledge here, initially posted this in the dedicated RW thread.

I Came across this site awhile back while researching on care techniques for leather and such. Great forum!

So, I purchased some 9011's on 3/2014. Nice boots, wear'em all day, every day! They started gettin funky on me though so I took'em in last week to ask the shop what they thought about the couple issues and they replaced'em for me! 

Here's some pictures of the two issues I ran into.

I had some separating going on around the sole area, this was my major concern as we're going into the winter months and I didn't want moisture to worsen it. I was told it was only cosmetic and not to be worried about it.

 

Second issue was this:

The nails were starting to protrude through. This is what was of most concern to the shop. 

 

So, now I've got a brand new, ready to break in, pair of beckmans. Super happy about that!

Now, since I'm starting from the beginning again, I've got some questions, as I've read a few weeks worth on this forum about the various care tecniques.

My first pair, I used kiwi natural on the welt area, thinking it would help with water proofing....now I'm wondering if that could have been the cause of the separating?

I'm also debating on Sno Sealing my boots this time around, but I was always under the impression that stuff seals out moisture, which means you can't reapply any kind of nutrients/moisturizers to the leather. I remember the days of baseball gloves cracking from this sort of treatment from drying out internally and not being able to get anything to penetrate through the sno seal.

 

After my first month of owning the first pair, I switched from kiwi to Saphir products, the Renovateur which is mink oil based, and a Medaille D'Or Creme. 

I just don't want any issues with this pair, like the last, if anything is preventable on my part!


These are a dress work boot, for me. I kick heavy boxes and totes around at work, am on my feet solid 8+ hrs a day doing a lot of walking and standing. I'm not a heavy guy 145lbs. 

 

Definitely have no complaints, these boots are beautiful and awesome customer service from both my local shop and Red Wing!

 

I'm kind of wanting to try my hand at bulling them if possible then letting them wear/patina naturally and just keep them with a brush shine.

post #11120 of 19067

Hey all,

 

I spent about 5 months in a bootcamp and learned lots of good techniques on bringing black leather to a mirror like shine.  Would anyone be interested in a video on the finishing touches to bringing a mirror finish to black leather?  I'm plenty other's have skills here, I only learned through forced experience multiple hours a day

post #11121 of 19067

Similar to the Saphir question above:

 

Is there a difference between "Venetian Shoe Cream" and "Venetian Leather Balm"?

 

Both are Imperial brand products, but there seems to be some confusion out there.  I bought Venetian Leather Balm (through Amazon) and tried it on some shell. It smelled much stronger than Saphir Reno.  Did I use the wrong product?  Grrr...

 

Here's a photo of both products side by side, VSC and Venetian Leather Balm: http://www.zoesmfgco.com/venetian-shoe-cream.html

Here's Rancourt & Sons' VSC page which shows a photo of the Venetian Leather Balm: http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/shoe-care/venetian-shoe-cream-neutral.html

 

Thanks for any help!

 

- Nick

post #11122 of 19067
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Originally Posted by jaredalanmitche View Post

Hey all,

I spent about 5 months in a bootcamp and learned lots of good techniques on bringing black leather to a mirror like shine.  Would anyone be interested in a video on the finishing touches to bringing a mirror finish to black leather?  I'm plenty other's have skills here, I only learned through forced experience multiple hours a day

Welcome to SF! Sure, if you uploaded a video to YouTube or something go ahead and post the link.

I basically do it the way @Crat does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o135MzEDjws
This Japanese video (which has been posted in this thread before) is interesting too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrzNkhJsJm8
post #11123 of 19067
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Originally Posted by ChrisRocknRoll View Post
 

I'm a newb, this is my second post, I'm reposting this here as there's a gread deal of knowledge here, initially posted this in the dedicated RW thread.

I Came across this site awhile back while researching on care techniques for leather and such. Great forum!

So, I purchased some 9011's on 3/2014. Nice boots, wear'em all day, every day! They started gettin funky on me though so I took'em in last week to ask the shop what they thought about the couple issues and they replaced'em for me! 

Here's some pictures of the two issues I ran into.

I had some separating going on around the sole area, this was my major concern as we're going into the winter months and I didn't want moisture to worsen it. I was told it was only cosmetic and not to be worried about it.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

Second issue was this:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

The nails were starting to protrude through. This is what was of most concern to the shop. 

 

So, now I've got a brand new, ready to break in, pair of beckmans. Super happy about that!

Now, since I'm starting from the beginning again, I've got some questions, as I've read a few weeks worth on this forum about the various care tecniques.

My first pair, I used kiwi natural on the welt area, thinking it would help with water proofing....now I'm wondering if that could have been the cause of the separating?

I'm also debating on Sno Sealing my boots this time around, but I was always under the impression that stuff seals out moisture, which means you can't reapply any kind of nutrients/moisturizers to the leather. I remember the days of baseball gloves cracking from this sort of treatment from drying out internally and not being able to get anything to penetrate through the sno seal.

 

After my first month of owning the first pair, I switched from kiwi to Saphir products, the Renovateur which is mink oil based, and a Medaille D'Or Creme. 

I just don't want any issues with this pair, like the last, if anything is preventable on my part!


These are a dress work boot, for me. I kick heavy boxes and totes around at work, am on my feet solid 8+ hrs a day doing a lot of walking and standing. I'm not a heavy guy 145lbs. 

 

Definitely have no complaints, these boots are beautiful and awesome customer service from both my local shop and Red Wing!

 

I'm kind of wanting to try my hand at bulling them if possible then letting them wear/patina naturally and just keep them with a brush shine.

 

Honestly the best way to care for your boots is to buy a second pair....rotating your boots as opposed to wearing the same pair every day will do more good than any amount of product you put on them. Pick up a lightly used pair on ebay if budget is an issue. Use shoe trees..

post #11124 of 19067
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Originally Posted by ChrisRocknRoll View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I'm a newb, this is my second post, I'm reposting this here as there's a gread deal of knowledge here, initially posted this in the dedicated RW thread.


I Came across this site awhile back while researching on care techniques for leather and such. Great forum!


So, I purchased some 9011's on 3/2014. Nice boots, wear'em all day, every day! They started gettin funky on me though so I took'em in last week to ask the shop what they thought about the couple issues and they replaced'em for me! 


Here's some pictures of the two issues I ran into.


I had some separating going on around the sole area, this was my major concern as we're going into the winter months and I didn't want moisture to worsen it. I was told it was only cosmetic and not to be worried about it.

Second issue was this:

The nails were starting to protrude through. This is what was of most concern to the shop. 

My first pair, I used kiwi natural on the welt area, thinking it would help with water proofing....now I'm wondering if that could have been the cause of the separating?
I'm also debating on Sno Sealing my boots this time around, but I was always under the impression that stuff seals out moisture, which means you can't reapply any kind of nutrients/moisturizers to the leather. I remember the days of baseball gloves cracking from this sort of treatment from drying out internally and not being able to get anything to penetrate through the sno seal.

The Kiwi did not cause the separation. Improper construction techniques caused it.

The nails protruding is yet another issue that originates in the factory.

Sno-Seal, like all waterproofing agents will seal the leather from water and other liguids that might penetrate...hence the word "seal" in the brand name. That said, I don't think the Sno-Seal caused cracking on your baseball gloves...but it is not a conditioner and if you want to apply conditioner, you should not use Sno-Seal.

If you want to polish or bull your boots, don't use Sno-Seal..or any oily, greasy, waterproofing compound..
post #11125 of 19067
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Originally Posted by nickatpsu View Post
 

Similar to the Saphir question above:

 

Is there a difference between "Venetian Shoe Cream" and "Venetian Leather Balm"?

 

Both are Imperial brand products, but there seems to be some confusion out there.  I bought Venetian Leather Balm (through Amazon) and tried it on some shell. It smelled much stronger than Saphir Reno.  Did I use the wrong product?  Grrr...

 

Here's a photo of both products side by side, VSC and Venetian Leather Balm: http://www.zoesmfgco.com/venetian-shoe-cream.html

Here's Rancourt & Sons' VSC page which shows a photo of the Venetian Leather Balm: http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/shoe-care/venetian-shoe-cream-neutral.html

 

Thanks for any help!

 

- Nick

I was wondering that myself too. What I think is the consistency of both products are different, and hence the function. Balm is more fluid, whilst cream is slightly thicker. Balm cleans really well whilst cream covers.

post #11126 of 19067
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Originally Posted by Kahuna75 View Post

Honestly the best way to care for your boots is to buy a second pair....rotating your boots as opposed to wearing the same pair every day will do more good than any amount of product you put on them. Pick up a lightly used pair on ebay if budget is an issue. Use shoe trees..

Some Iron Rangers are on my list of things to buy smile.gif
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

The Kiwi did not cause the separation. Improper construction techniques caused it.

The nails protruding is yet another issue that originates in the factory.

Sno-Seal, like all waterproofing agents will seal the leather from water and other liguids that might penetrate...hence the word "seal" in the brand name. That said, I don't think the Sno-Seal caused cracking on your baseball gloves...but it is not a conditioner and if you want to apply conditioner, you should not use Sno-Seal.

If you want to polish or bull your boots, don't use Sno-Seal..or any oily, greasy, waterproofing compound..

That sorta makes sense as to why the gloves cracked, sealing out any sort of conditioning that may have been applied later on?

I've read a lot of people like Lexol for conditioning, would that be a better choice, I've got Saphir renovateur that I like but it seems closer to a polish than a conditioner to me.

Maybe I'll just stick to what I used before, my Saphir products. I was more worried I might have used something that caused the splitting so I wanted to avoid doing that again on the new pair. Also was looking for better suggestions on products, if any.

Thanks for the help thus far, guys!
post #11127 of 19067
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Originally Posted by ChrisRocknRoll View Post


I've read a lot of people like Lexol for conditioning, would that be a better choice, I've got Saphir renovateur that I like but it seems closer to a polish than a conditioner to me.

Yup. Imo, there's too much beeswax in renovateur to be that useful as a conditioner. It builds up just like anything else.
post #11128 of 19067
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Originally Posted by nickatpsu View Post
 

Similar to the Saphir question above:

 

Is there a difference between "Venetian Shoe Cream" and "Venetian Leather Balm"?

 

Both are Imperial brand products, but there seems to be some confusion out there.  I bought Venetian Leather Balm (through Amazon) and tried it on some shell. It smelled much stronger than Saphir Reno.  Did I use the wrong product?  Grrr...

 

Here's a photo of both products side by side, VSC and Venetian Leather Balm: http://www.zoesmfgco.com/venetian-shoe-cream.html

Here's Rancourt & Sons' VSC page which shows a photo of the Venetian Leather Balm: http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/shoe-care/venetian-shoe-cream-neutral.html

 

Thanks for any help!

 

- Nick

 

AFAIK, they are exactly the same product. 

 

Venetian Shoe Cream smells stronger than Saphir Renovateur in general due to the turpentine in the Venetian. Reno I believe has some perfume in it to make it smell good too. 

post #11129 of 19067
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post


Yup. Imo, there's too much beeswax in renovateur to be that useful as a conditioner. It builds up just like anything else.

The only purpose it serves, so far I can see, is conditioning after cleaning with a cleaner.

post #11130 of 19067
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post
 

 

AFAIK, they are exactly the same product. 

 

Venetian Shoe Cream smells stronger than Saphir Renovateur in general due to the turpentine in the Venetian. Reno I believe has some perfume in it to make it smell good too. 

Not precisely the same, I guess, due to the difference in consistency. One runs like liquid and the other is too thick and, I guess, "creamy".

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