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post #11041 of 19067
Shoefan,

Yes I've used Edelman leather and made two pair of shoes with the Modernya. It also is, as you say, soft...and maybe a little thin for my druthers.

I've always wanted to try the Vintage but now you've got me worried.

You said it lightened up on you...do you mean the colour or the cross hatching?
post #11042 of 19067
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I'd send them back to AE for refurb...less than 200 bucks and they're good as new!

Cobbler. Don't ever go to AE recrafting. Send them to B Nelson. Last time I sent my Hanover wholecut for a repair, they put a whole gap 1/10 of an inch in it. Looked like hell.

 

B. Nelson is your best bet.

Good intel, many thanks.

post #11043 of 19067
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I don't think the label will tell you anything. These outfits are pretty tight-lipped about the ingredients...whether out of embarrassment or guile, who's to say?

But beeswax is a solid.

AFAIK, Obenauf is a grease. That's not to say it doesn't have beeswax in it.

I don't have a favourite but I use a heck of a lot of beeswax. My opinions about conditioners and waxes evolve...just as formulae for all these products evolve. I swore by Lexol and Meltonian and even Kiwi, once upon a time.

FWIW, "DFW" is Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. I'm far more down to earth. crackup[1].gif

Obenauf LP does have beeswax in it, unfortunately, the wax content was dominated by much of the unknown oils and the liquid bee propolis used.

post #11044 of 19067
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Edelman Leather, a supplier mainly to the upholstery trade, have a leather they call Russian Leather. They imply the tannage is willow and birch, but bark rather than oil. They are a little light on details, so who knows how authentic it is.

I've made a pair of shoes from it; I like them, the leather is pretty soft and comfortable. However, it did pull up quite light in some areas when I lasted it. I think it makes them look interesting, but definitely a unique look.

http://www.edelmanleather.com/products/upholstery-leather/russian-antiqued/

How does this one smell to ya? And how does the surface feel - another thing to note.

post #11045 of 19067
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I had forgotten all about that even though I am the one responsible for it being there (didn't write it).

And after having re-read it, I withdraw my remarks about the oiling of the grain as well as my recollection of the way the cross-hatching was applied.

My apologies...

It's OK DW. No apologies necessary.

post #11046 of 19067
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Shoefan,

Yes I've used Edelman leather and made two pair of shoes with the Modernya. It also is, as you say, soft...and maybe a little thin for my druthers.

I've always wanted to try the Vintage but now you've got me worried.

You said it lightened up on you...do you mean the colour or the cross hatching?

I mean the color. If you look at the pic above, you can see how light and somewhat splotchy the toes are. The leather where it was tightly stretched came up light. This also happened on the quarters in the counter area, and also somewhat along/just above the feather line. I think it makes the shoes look a bit like the Foster & Sons shoes that were sun-bleached. As I wrote, I think it makes the shoes look interesting and perhaps clearly bespoke, but it is definitely not what I was expecting.

The cross hatching is still visible on the toes, counter area, etc., but it is akin to most/all embossed leathers in that the effect is lessened in the stretched areas.
post #11047 of 19067
I like shoes.
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I like shoes.

Only good shoes that combines important factors, for me.

post #11049 of 19067
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I mean the color. If you look at the pic above, you can see how light and somewhat splotchy the toes are. The leather where it was tightly stretched came up light. This also happened on the quarters in the counter area, and also somewhat along/just above the feather line. I think it makes the shoes look a bit like the Foster & Sons shoes that were sun-bleached. As I wrote, I think it makes the shoes look interesting and perhaps clearly bespoke, but it is definitely not what I was expecting.

The cross hatching is still visible on the toes, counter area, etc., but it is akin to most/all embossed leathers in that the effect is lessened in the stretched areas.


Is it an aniline pull-up leather? The lightening-with-stretch effect would indicate that, no? unless of course the hatch grain took less color in the depressed areas, which would be odd.

either way, I like those slip-ons :)

post #11050 of 19067
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Originally Posted by shoefan View Post

Edelman Leather, a supplier mainly to the upholstery trade, have a leather they call Russian Leather. They imply the tannage is willow and birch, but bark rather than oil. They are a little light on details, so who knows how authentic it is.

I've made a pair of shoes from it; I like them, the leather is pretty soft and comfortable. However, it did pull up quite light in some areas when I lasted it. I think it makes them look interesting, but definitely a unique look.

http://www.edelmanleather.com/products/upholstery-leather/russian-antiqued/

these are fantastic. 

post #11051 of 19067
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Is it an aniline pull-up leather? The lightening-with-stretch effect would indicate that, no? unless of course the hatch grain took less color in the depressed areas, which would be odd.
either way, I like those slip-ons smile.gif
It is an aniline leather, but I don't know that it is designed to be a pull-up leather. Of course, if it is curried/stuffed with the tree oils, that is similar (I am guessing) to a pull-up leather; I have no experience with the latter, so I can't really comment knowledgeably about any similarities/differences. The original Russian Metta Catharina leather doesn't seem to show any of these effects on the shoes I seen pictures of.

BTW, here is an old article about the original Metta Catherina leather: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/28/nyregion/a-200-year-old-gift-from-under-the-sea.html

The article states the leather was tanned with willow bark and curried with birch oil. It also asserts that the hides were reindeer; I've seen the latter point contradicted elsewhere, IIRC. I have the (perhaps erroneous) impression that the Russian leather was called 'reindee'r leather irrespective of the actual type of hide.
post #11052 of 19067
So while we're talking about Russia calf...ersatz, in particular...has anyone seen, or had shoes made of, the hatch grain leather that Horween is producing for AA Crack? I don't know if it is available here in the US. Crack's description suggests that Horween is producing it for them.

But unfortunately the description doesn't say what the tannage is or if it is curried with birch oil. Or if it is a pull up (Iv'e run across some suggestions that it's on chromexel)

On the plus side, it's about 3-1/2 to 4 ounce
post #11053 of 19067
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So while we're talking about Russia calf...ersatz, in particular...has anyone seen, or had shoes made of, the hatch grain leather that Horween is producing for AA Crack? I don't know if it is available here in the US. Crack's description suggests that Horween is producing it for them.

But unfortunately the description doesn't say what the tannage is or if it is curried with birch oil. Or if it is a pull up (Iv'e run across some suggestions that it's on chromexel)

On the plus side, it's about 3-1/2 to 4 ounce

Really want a pair of galosh bal boots out of that stuff...

post #11054 of 19067

My first impressions of Renapur Balsam are very good. No, unpleasant smell - particularly, no smell of turpentine. Said to made only of 'natural' ingredients (although I know that the term is freighted with problems). It is said to contain mostly beeswax, jojoba oil and carnauba wax. As with all these things, less is more. It goes on smoothly and only a tiny amount is needed. It does seem to smooth out lines on the vamp and make the shoes feel 'well cared for'. I think it acts as a cleaner, as well as a conditioner. I have tried in on my Loake's Chesters and their Strands. So far, so good. I put it on with my finger and suspect that it might make a good hand cream!  This isn't something you would use all that often but, if all goes well, I think I will use it every ten wears or so. . It's a bit expensive (although these things are relative). A small tub costs £12. The makers claim that this will be sufficient for 500 pairs of shoes. They also say it might darken leather, although, so far, this hasn't been my experience. Certainly worth a try!

post #11055 of 19067
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

So while we're talking about Russia calf...ersatz, in particular...has anyone seen, or had shoes made of, the hatch grain leather that Horween is producing for AA Crack? I don't know if it is available here in the US. Crack's description suggests that Horween is producing it for them.

But unfortunately the description doesn't say what the tannage is or if it is curried with birch oil. Or if it is a pull up (Iv'e run across some suggestions that it's on chromexel)

On the plus side, it's about 3-1/2 to 4 ounce

 

Alfred Sargent makes a brown hatch grain chukka (and claim that their leather is from Horween) - the model is called the Radwell. They have also made the AS Hunt (shortwing oxford) in the same leather. The toes on those are definitely smoothed out when stretched over the last, but I didn't see any lightening at the toes.

An embossed hatch grain on chromexcel would be very hard to keep hatch-ed (sic) I would think...

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