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post #1036 of 11875
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Originally Posted by patrick_b View Post

Is there any risk to using a solvent like Isopropyl/Rubbing Alcohol, mineral spirits or Vodka? If those products are safe to use, can someone walk me through the process?
For instance, do you use the solvent full strength or with a diluent of some sort?
If it should be diluted, what's a good, safe ratio? Never diluted it, but use sparingly.
How should the solvent be applied? With a cotton cloth/pad with minimal pressure
How long to leave it on the leather, i.e., apply with cloth, rub into leather and wipe off immediately or apply with cloth, let sit for a moment then remove with clean cloth?

Risk, yes there is always a risk. Lots of SF posts about solvents removing too much of the finish and the like, so whilst many here use such solvents as required, lots of folk steer clear.

If you are about to use these solvents on a really nice pair of shoes, my advice is don't. You may want to try it out on a pair you care less about first.
post #1037 of 11875
I've used a little rubbing alchohol or vodka instead of water for bulling toes. Mostly just to see what it was like as some of the 'professionals' use various sorts of alchohol for polish.

I don't think either of these are really much of a solvent for wax.

In any case if I were intending to strip to the wax from a pair of shoes I think I'd stay away from strong solvents per se and go with a simple detergent based cleaner that is designed for shoes. Or as Northhampton novice mentioned use neutral polish as a cleaning medium.

Your local cobbler should be able to offer you a 'wax remover' product. These are usually detergent based and ph balanced for shoes.
post #1038 of 11875
We should have the Havane in stock (it is indicated as "tobacco" -- the translation)..if it doesn't show on the website, call and speak to Carlos (just finishing up Pitti Uomo in Italy, so I'm not in the office). And we should have the Cognac in both the cream and wax.

I'm visiting the Saphir factory in France if the group has any special questions they'd like me to ask...should be interesting. I'll take plenty of pictures.

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post #1039 of 11875
Gdot custom polish/patina on a new pair of C&J Drummonds. My goal here was to approach a finish that Vass calls 'Italian Polish' or a finish somewhat like an Edward Green.

Deep, heavily pigmented and yet dimensional and transluscent at the same time.

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Picture quality could be better, will try again when the lighting is better.
post #1040 of 11875
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Originally Posted by glenjay View Post

I just sent an email to SC Johnson, who now owns Kiwi, and asked if their regular wax shoe polish line included silicone. I cannot see why they would try to avoid admitting there is silicone in any of their polish because they state right on the Parade Gloss tin "Premium Shoe Polish With Silicone" so they clearly don't see silicone as a bad thing.
The SC Johnson site allows you to submit questions by general product line, like Kiwi. I expect to get an answer back in a few days, and will share their response here.

The following is the response I received from SC Johnson/Kiwi:

"Kiwi® Parade Gloss® is the only paste polish that contains silicone. All other Kiwi® pastes are silicone free."
post #1041 of 11875
Thank you for following that all the way through to the end response from the manufacturer! That's dedication!
post #1042 of 11875
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Originally Posted by Northampton Novice View Post

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Originally Posted by patrick_b View Post

Is there any risk to using a solvent like Isopropyl/Rubbing Alcohol, mineral spirits or Vodka? If those products are safe to use, can someone walk me through the process?
For instance, do you use the solvent full strength or with a diluent of some sort?
If it should be diluted, what's a good, safe ratio? Never diluted it, but use sparingly.
How should the solvent be applied? With a cotton cloth/pad with minimal pressure
How long to leave it on the leather, i.e., apply with cloth, rub into leather and wipe off immediately or apply with cloth, let sit for a moment then remove with clean cloth?

Risk, yes there is always a risk. Lots of SF posts about solvents removing too much of the finish and the like, so whilst many here use such solvents as required, lots of folk steer clear.

If you are about to use these solvents on a really nice pair of shoes, my advice is don't. You may want to try it out on a pair you care less about first.
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

I've used a little rubbing alchohol or vodka instead of water for bulling toes. Mostly just to see what it was like as some of the 'professionals' use various sorts of alchohol for polish.

I don't think either of these are really much of a solvent for wax.

In any case if I were intending to strip to the wax from a pair of shoes I think I'd stay away from strong solvents per se and go with a simple detergent based cleaner that is designed for shoes. Or as Northhampton novice mentioned use neutral polish as a cleaning medium.

Your local cobbler should be able to offer you a 'wax remover' product. These are usually detergent based and ph balanced for shoes.

Thanks guys, I'll try out some of these methods I've read about here on some old shoes.
post #1043 of 11875
I've read a couple pages on here and thought I would put my two cents in on a few topics. On Kiwi and silicone; Many shoemakers use the stuff and feel that it works better for them. I don't think I am one to argue with them. I know DWFII claims that silicone isn't really a bad thing for shoes. It does make sense, it is extremely inert, can put put inside of the human body without infection, so why not leather? Apparently cracking of leather is the drying out in between the microfibers of the leather particles. So can silicone provide that lubricant? I don't know honestly, but as Frtizl and many shoemakers say it is more about the quality of tannage than anything else.

On wax removal; I have tried everything under the sun, and I really feel like Angelus Deglazer, and Meltonian Color preparer is the way to go. It is strong enough to get wax off with medium elbow grease. Using lighter things and more elbow grease seems to me a bit more damaging due to the excess friction you are applying to the leather. You end up literally "sanding" down the pores and such. The products I meantioned above use a dilluted acetone of some sort that strip well. After using them a good condition is in order. Speaking with Tony Gaziano about it he even recommends a hair drier on the shoe for a long while to melt it and then with a cloth literally wiping the excess wax off followed by conditioning and polishing.
post #1044 of 11875
What's wrong with just using Saphir Saddle soap? I'm planning on buying one to use for taking off polish.
post #1045 of 11875
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Originally Posted by Liquidus View Post

What's wrong with just using Saphir Saddle soap? I'm planning on buying one to use for taking off polish.

Don't use saddle soap, too harsh and won't get the job done as well.
post #1046 of 11875
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Gdot custom polish/patina...

amazing, very well done. pity is, i have no clue how they looked before... ...fwock, who cares. excellent job. keep it coming.
post #1047 of 11875
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Don't use saddle soap, too harsh and won't get the job done as well.

This is Saphir saddle soap though. According to previous posts here, it's designed for shoes. Saphir also makes a less harsh "cleaning soap" product. Personally, I like the idea of getting all my shoe care products from one brand that I can trust.
post #1048 of 11875
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Originally Posted by Liquidus View Post

This is Saphir saddle soap though. According to previous posts here, it's designed for shoes. Saphir also makes a less harsh "cleaning soap" product. Personally, I like the idea of getting all my shoe care products from one brand that I can trust.

I just really don't think it is a good idea.

It depends on what you are doing too. I mean renovateur by itself is a great cleaner/conditioner.
post #1049 of 11875
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Originally Posted by Liquidus View Post

This is Saphir saddle soap though. According to previous posts here, it's designed for shoes. Saphir also makes a less harsh "cleaning soap" product. Personally, I like the idea of getting all my shoe care products from one brand that I can trust.

I don't think it is...
post #1050 of 11875
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Originally Posted by fritzl View Post

amazing, very well done. pity is, i have no clue how they looked before... ...fwock, who cares. excellent job. keep it coming.

Thank you!

Sorry the pics haven't turned out well. Will take more when we get a day with better light. As for befores they are the pair on the far right in this image. Just the plain old 'out of the box' finish from C&J benchgrade - which is pretty darned unremarkable. (But their benchgrade leather shines up great!)

I still have the pair of loafers in the same original finish. When I take better pics I'll put them next to the refinished ones for comparison.

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