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Yes, fair enough, DWF.

post #10112 of 12296
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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

Yes, fair enough, DWF.

Munky,

Re-reading my post, I suspect my remark could be misunderstood or seen as cryptic.

So...a slight correction/clarification:

I'm not talking simply about decreasing interior volume. That does happen, as well--occasionally, rarely, for the better, but most often to the detriment of the foot.

The real issue is that adding any kind of insert/insole into a shoe changes the insole shape; changes the relationship of the foot to the insole, and, as a result, changes the fit.

This is the same as buying a shoe that is a half size too big in the critical heel-to-ball measurement. It's what's known as the "orange peel effect."

Compounding all that, if the shoe was initially bought too large/long and the insert is being used to take up some surplus, you can end up with a shoe that is terrible for the long term health of the foot.
post #10113 of 12296
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Does that mean you won't be visiting the store?

 

LOL

 

It's gone now so I won't have the chance (pity, of course) and will edit out my combustible post.

post #10114 of 12296

No, I was quite happy with your other response and didn't read it as cryptic!  Thanks,though, for your elaboration. I can understand the objections you have to inserts. My problem, I guess, is (apart from the one pair I have) finding shoes that really fit and that support my arches. I still find it odd that I have just the one pair that need nothing added to them. They were not expensive, either. I can't afford bespoke shoes and only run to around £250 for RTW. They are mostly Herring or Loake 1880's.I buy in a reputable shop and the staff always make every effort to make sure that everything is OK. Once I get them home and walk around in them, I start to feel a gap around the arch area and thus they don't fit. 

 

I don't remember having these sorts of problems when I bought any old shoes, straight of the shelf,  from Clark's!  Perhaps I did have these problems and didn't realise it. 

 

Thanks, again, for your help, DWF. As always, much appreciated. 

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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

No, I was quite happy with your other response and didn't read it as cryptic!  Thanks,though, for your elaboration. I can understand the objections you have to inserts. My problem, I guess, is (apart from the one pair I have) finding shoes that really fit and that support my arches. I still find it odd that I have just the one pair that need nothing added to them. They were not expensive, either. I can't afford bespoke shoes and only run to around £250 for RTW. They are mostly Herring or Loake 1880's.I buy in a reputable shop and the staff always make every effort to make sure that everything is OK. Once I get them home and walk around in them, I start to feel a gap around the arch area and thus they don't fit. 

I don't remember having these sorts of problems when I bought any old shoes, straight of the shelf,  from Clark's!  Perhaps I did have these problems and didn't realise it. 

Thanks, again, for your help, DWF. As always, much appreciated. 

Well, I don't think an arch cookie, all by itself, is near as problematic as a full length insert. Or even one that runs from the back of the heel to under the ball of the foot.

You have to understand that manufacturers design lasts and make shoes to fit the widest range of feet they can with the smallest number of sizes.

Lasts, in the US come in many sizes from AAA-EEE, and even widths out of that range by special order. Most manufactures seldom carry more than one or two of those widths and rely on the customer to misfit hisownself if the sizes they offer don't answer.

But even if they did make all those widths they couldn't afford to have a run of lasts that were so extreme that they actually supported high arches. They'd lose all their low arched customers...and with the prevalence of running shoes, etc., there are many more of them than people with "normal" or high arches.

So automatically and immediately, even with the first and most critical tool in the making of any kind of shoe--the lasts--they are forced (by the bottom line) to compromise and cater to the lowest common denominator.

Perhaps your real problem is simply that you are being fit for length of foot and not heel to ball. The H-B measurement is much more critical than the LOF and of course that's where the arch is.

It's also worth noting that as we age our feet get longer esp in that H-B measurement. Muscles and ligaments weaken and breakdown and the architectural structure of the foot 'settles."

What fit you in your 20's...the size of shoe that supported your arch... isn't likely to fit you as well in your 50's.
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Thanks, again, DWF. I think that your point about ageing is an important one. I guess I could have worn just about anything in my 20's. Not so much the case in my 60's!

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I've been putting rocks in my shoes to produce pain and suffering on account that have sinned against the Lord.
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Well, I don't think an arch cookie, all by itself, is near as problematic as a full length insert.

Sounds like thats all you need. Have you tried them?
post #10119 of 12296

pB. Sinning against the Lord has at least made you post a better photo of yourself. 

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Naw...that's the terrible consequences of sin.
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I've been putting rocks in my shoes to produce pain and suffering on account that have sinned against the Lord.

Those rocks ain't big enough friend!
post #10122 of 12296

Nick,

 

Re inserts. Exaclty. If they make the shoes more comfortable, people should wear them.

 

DW,

 

Good points. But considering the number of feet in the world and the cost and limited supply of bespoke shoes, the vast majority of men will have to make do with RTW.

 

You describe the problem- shoe companies have to use generic lasts, trying to produce a fit that is good enough for the largest portion of the population they can. Since they are generic lasts, there may not be a single individual whose foot actually fits such shoes. At least not by the standards of a bespoke maker. But since most men have no alternative to RTW, their choices are RTW as is, or RTW altered with inserts. If they can find some combination of inserts that make the shoes fit better, that is, make them more comfortable, then this is the best outcome they can get.


I suppose the ideal might be a collaboration of a podiatrist and shoemaker whotogether  will produce beautiful works of art custom molded to an individual's foot, size and gait. Very few people could afford such things. Many can get a reasonable degree of comfort without custom made shoes. They might get even more comfort with custom made, but there are mortgages to pay...

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What's the beef against shoe inserts? It's personal preference. Not everyone can afford shoes with arch support build in, such as Saint Crispins or Meermin. Shoe inserts could make flat insole shoes more comfortable by providing cushioning or other support functions.

Besides, for some country shoes or hiking shoes it makes no sense to buy with any arch support. Especially for those who sometimes wear two layers of hiking socks and sometimes wear simple sports socks.
post #10124 of 12296
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

What's the beef against shoe inserts? It's personal preference. Not everyone can afford shoes with arch support build in, such as Saint Crispins or Meermin. Shoe inserts could make flat insole shoes more comfortable by providing cushioning or other support functions.

Besides, for some country shoes or hiking shoes it makes no sense to buy with any arch support. Especially for those who sometimes wear two layers of hiking socks and sometimes wear simple sports socks.

"The real issue is that adding any kind of insert/insole into a shoe changes the insole shape; changes the relationship of the foot to the insole, and, as a result, changes the fit.

This is the same as buying a shoe that is a half size too big in the critical heel-to-ball measurement. It's what's known as the "orange peel effect."

Compounding all that, if the shoe was initially bought too large/long and the insert is being used to take up some surplus, you can end up with a shoe that is terrible for the long term health of the foot."
post #10125 of 12296
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Originally Posted by dbhdnhdbh View Post


DW,

Good points. But considering the number of feet in the world and the cost and limited supply of bespoke shoes, the vast majority of men will have to make do with RTW.

there are mortgages to pay...

No argument...

Of course, there is the piper to pay, too.

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