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post #46 of 120
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So if you beat a team in baseball or pro football during the regular season, you shouldn't play them again in the playoffs as the regular season is meaningless?
Fortunately, we are not talking about pro baseball or pro football. A second miscue is there is no playoff in college football. Edit - the following was written by a USC fan. Echos my feelings rather closely. Ohio State is the last team standing. They've knocked off the #2 team in the country, not once, but twice this year. They won their conference title, and they stepped out of conference to play the defending BCS Champion. What more do they have to prove? They haven't stumbled along the way. They haven't had to lobby their way to the championship game after dropping one they shouldn't. They have been perfect. They'll have to play a third #2 team in the BCS Championship to officially claim the BCS Championship this year. So who is #2? My answer... Who Cares? USC, Michigan, Florida, Arkansas, Notre Dame, Louisville, West Virginia, and Rutgers are all one loss teams. Every single one of them took destiny out of their hands by losing. Whoever gets the #2 spot is going to be playing on a second chance. Who is going to give Ohio State a second chance should they stumble after a seven week layoff? Some believe that the champion should be the team that's best at the end of the year. I understand that argument, I just don't agree. I think the championship should go to the team that's best for the whole year. A lot of times, those teams are one and the same. But otherwise games like Ohio State vs Texas become glorified exhibitions. Indianapolis vs New England was fun two weeks ago, but in the grand scheme of the Super Bowl, it was an exhibition game. Those teams will still have to go through one another when it really matters in the playoffs. MLB just crowned a .500 World Champion. The defending Super Bowl Champion was 7-5 at one point last year having lost three straight games. Is that a "true champion?" College Football demands excellence from the opening kickoff in August. It's one of the things that makes the game so special. Ohio State / Texas was a playoff. Ohio State won. Ohio State / Michigan was a playoff. Ohio State won. I could go on and on about the games that led us to where we are now. Each of them being as important as the next. There's going to be a lot of lobbying over the course of the next month about who deserves to be the #2 team, and all of the injustice about the teams that get left out. Let everyone else worry about who is #2. I don't really care. Every other team in the country has a flawed argument for the #2 spot. You lose, you take matters out of your own hands. There is no "deserve". Ohio State is #1. Let everyone else worry about #2.
post #47 of 120
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Originally Posted by NewYorkBuck
Fortunately, we are not talking about pro baseball or pro football. A second miscue is there is no playoff in college football.


Edit - the following was written by a USC fan. Echos my feelings rather closely.


Ohio State is the last team standing. They've knocked off the #2 team in the country, not once, but twice this year. They won their conference title, and they stepped out of conference to play the defending BCS Champion. What more do they have to prove?

They haven't stumbled along the way. They haven't had to lobby their way to the championship game after dropping one they shouldn't. They have been perfect.

They'll have to play a third #2 team in the BCS Championship to officially claim the BCS Championship this year. So who is #2?

My answer... Who Cares?

USC, Michigan, Florida, Arkansas, Notre Dame, Louisville, West Virginia, and Rutgers are all one loss teams. Every single one of them took destiny out of their hands by losing. Whoever gets the #2 spot is going to be playing on a second chance. Who is going to give Ohio State a second chance should they stumble after a seven week layoff?

Some believe that the champion should be the team that's best at the end of the year. I understand that argument, I just don't agree. I think the championship should go to the team that's best for the whole year. A lot of times, those teams are one and the same. But otherwise games like Ohio State vs Texas become glorified exhibitions. Indianapolis vs New England was fun two weeks ago, but in the grand scheme of the Super Bowl, it was an exhibition game. Those teams will still have to go through one another when it really matters in the playoffs.

MLB just crowned a .500 World Champion. The defending Super Bowl Champion was 7-5 at one point last year having lost three straight games. Is that a "true champion?"

College Football demands excellence from the opening kickoff in August. It's one of the things that makes the game so special.

Ohio State / Texas was a playoff. Ohio State won.

Ohio State / Michigan was a playoff. Ohio State won.

I could go on and on about the games that led us to where we are now. Each of them being as important as the next.

There's going to be a lot of lobbying over the course of the next month about who deserves to be the #2 team, and all of the injustice about the teams that get left out.

Let everyone else worry about who is #2. I don't really care. Every other team in the country has a flawed argument for the #2 spot. You lose, you take matters out of your own hands. There is no "deserve".

Ohio State is #1.

Let everyone else worry about #2.

That is actually a very good argument. I'm only sorry my Badgers couldn't have gotten the job done in Ann Arbor a couple months ago causing a whole new firestorm of arguments about schedule strength I think they'd still be in Glendale though.
post #48 of 120
NYB, what about the fact that a team could go undefeated and still not have a shot at the title under the current regime?
post #49 of 120
Nobody beats Boise State on the blue turf! NOBODY!
post #50 of 120
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Originally Posted by NewYorkBuck
Edit - the following was written by a USC fan. Echos my feelings rather closely.

Finally, a voice of reason...

Fight on.
post #51 of 120
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Today, there was a wonderful celebration of Bo's life in Michigan Stadium. About 30,000 endured the chilling weather to sit through a 3 hour memorial. (I should have worn heavy wool socks!) There were many Buckeye fans, current and past coaches, in attendance. Even though we are mortal enemies on the field, OSU and Michigan are "family". One of the many of Bo's sayings that were recited was: "Do it right. Every time. All the time."
post #52 of 120
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Originally Posted by clarinetplayer
Today, there was a wonderful celebration of Bo's life in Michigan Stadium. About 30,000 endured the chilling weather to sit through a 3 hour memorial. (I should have worn heavy wool socks!) There were many Buckeye fans, current and past coaches, in attendance. Even though we are mortal enemies on the field, OSU and Michigan are "family". One of the many of Bo's sayings that were recited was: "Do it right. Every time. All the time."

From a Buckeye - I was sad when I heard the news. Bo represented everything that was good about college football. I think clarinet is right about "family". I just tried three times typing a sentence that captured this idea little more clearly, but I failed. I think its something you need to be a part of to understand.
post #53 of 120
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Originally Posted by NewYorkBuck
From a Buckeye - I was sad when I heard the news. Bo represented everything that was good about college football. I think clarinet is right about "family". I just tried three times typing a sentence that captured this idea little more clearly, but I failed. I think its something you need to be a part of to understand.
As a UM alumnus, it was very moving to see Bruce, Cooper, and Tressel in attendance yesterday. The fact that they came to honor Bo and to be with us spoke volumes. What a class act.
post #54 of 120
If anybody disagrees, please feel free to argue your point, but if Ohio State didn't commit those three turnovers, it's more than a three point game. Michigan got ten off of two of those turnovers (two of which were not forced, they were bad snaps that the Michigan D did not cause). So, if you get rid of two of those turnovers, then you can take 10 points of the board for Michigan. That makes it the score 42-29. If the Datish makes a good snap on the one fumble Michigan didn't score off of, you have to think that the Buckeyes would have gotten at least a field goal since they were driving and had the momentum building. If they got at least a field goal, then it's a 16 point game, and if they'd gotten a touchdown, then it's a 20 point game. So really, the Wolverines didn't do anything to keep themselves in this game. The Buckeyes kept them in this game.

If you're still not convinced, look at it this way:
The Buckeyes didn't had a pretty bad day by their standards and they still won. Jim Tressel is a good enough coach to make sure that that won't happen again, especially if Michigan does get the gift of a rematch which they don't deserve.
post #55 of 120
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Originally Posted by rassannassar
If anybody disagrees, please feel free to argue your point, but if Ohio State didn't commit those three turnovers, it's more than a three point game. Michigan got ten off of two of those turnovers (two of which were not forced, they were bad snaps that the Michigan D did not cause). So, if you get rid of two of those turnovers, then you can take 10 points of the board for Michigan. That makes it the score 42-29. If the Datish makes a good snap on the one fumble Michigan didn't score off of, you have to think that the Buckeyes would have gotten at least a field goal since they were driving and had the momentum building. If they got at least a field goal, then it's a 16 point game, and if they'd gotten a touchdown, then it's a 20 point game. So really, the Wolverines didn't do anything to keep themselves in this game. The Buckeyes kept them in this game.

If you're still not convinced, look at it this way:
The Buckeyes didn't had a pretty bad day by their standards and they still won. Jim Tressel is a good enough coach to make sure that that won't happen again, especially if Michigan does get the gift of a rematch which they don't deserve.

Umm, if the Michigan team bus exploded on the way to the stadium OSU would have won 99999-0. What's your point? These turnovers DID happen, you can make all the excuses you want, but UM was a onside kick away from winning the game. OSU was the better team on the field and won the game, don't denigrate their great victory by trying to make your opponents look worse. UM was very much in this game and had their chances to win.
post #56 of 120
The Razorback are now out of the chase. It should be a great game between ND and USC tonight. Go Irish.
post #57 of 120
Wow, I just saw West Virginia lost today. Another team now out of the title game chase.
post #58 of 120
Well, we are down to one week left to see who makes it to the title game. USC did dominate Notre Dame. I still think Michigan belongs in the title game. They beat Notre Dame by more points then USC did and they did it on the road and Michigan lost to OSU by 3 points when USC lost to an unranked team. So I guess my arguement is why should USC go when they lost to an unranked team and did not beat Notre Dame by as much as we did.
post #59 of 120
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Originally Posted by mrpologuy
So I guess my arguement is why should USC go when they lost to an unranked team and did not beat Notre Dame by as much as we did.
1. USC played a much tougher schedule.

2. We don't know whether Ohio State is better than USC. We already know that Ohio State is better than Michigan.

3. A team that cannot even win its own conference should not be playing in the national championship game.
post #60 of 120
I will bet you that an OSU-USC game won't be as close as a U of M-OSU game. OSU will beat USC by at least 14.
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