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No - in the main range 12 of 68 models are on the 348 last, for handgrade 8 of 16 models are on the 358 last, so overall >50% the sales are from 20 models from a full range of  84

There is a migration of shoes towards the 348/58 - eg the brunswick 2 is a 358 last, whereas the original was not

Same with Seymour, they are migrating towards the No2 on the 358
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I can't help but feel the success of G&G and their sleek lasts is encouraging brands like C&J to offer more of their products in lasts 348/358.
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Originally Posted by Northampton Novice View Post

I can't help but feel the success of G&G and their sleek lasts is encouraging brands like C&J to offer more of their products in lasts 348/358.

What I can't figure out is why they don't offer more models in burgundy, oxblood or chili sorts of colors. Are those colors just not popular with the UK buyers?
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What I can't figure out is why they don't offer more models in burgundy, oxblood or chili sorts of colors. Are those colors just not popular with the UK buyers?

+1 I really wish this were true as well!
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What I can't figure out is why they don't offer more models in burgundy, oxblood or chili sorts of colors. Are those colors just not popular with the UK buyers?

You've hit the nail on the head.

Through my work I recently came across a piece of commissioned research, focusing on the shoe buying habits of City workers. The most purchased shoe amongst this group in 2010 was the Church Chetwynd in Black.

Strike up a conversation with any shoe shop in Jermyn St and they'll tell you Black outsells everything else...

Saying that my office is somewhat different, today I'm wearing Corthay Arca's in green, one colleague has his 7L in midnight blue and another is wearing Oxblood Lodgers!
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What I can't figure out is why they don't offer more models in burgundy, oxblood or chili sorts of colors. Are those colors just not popular with the UK buyers?


+1

 

Most of the oxblood they offer is in wide and round, eg the 325 loafers, which is not my cup of teat at all

 


They did have the Atherstone handgrade in oxblood , but it has been discontinued - not sure if it to be re-lasted and sleek-ified, or just dropped because it didn't sell

 

If they had it in the 358 I'd be a buyer

 

 

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Originally Posted by Northampton Novice View Post

You've hit the nail on the head.
Through my work I recently came across a piece of commissioned research, focusing on the shoe buying habits of City workers. The most purchased shoe amongst this group in 2010 was the Church Chetwynd in Black.
Strike up a conversation with any shoe shop in Jermyn St and they'll tell you Black outsells everything else...
Saying that my office is somewhat different, today I'm wearing Corthay Arca's in green, one colleague has his 7L in midnight blue and another is wearing Oxblood Lodgers!

Well that's because black is the only correct shoe with business attire.
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Well that's because black is the only correct shoe with business attire.

In London and much of the rest of the world yes - this still seems to be the rule for the vast majority.

In most of America the war is on AGAINST black shoes it seems. I don't personally hate black shoes at all - just want more alternatives. I'm full up on 'Brown' at this point. Burgundy and oxblood are good alternates to black for winter wearing in my opinion. Too bad for C&J that they don't offer many - I'm going to have to go to Vass to get a couple of pairs - they do lovely red tones. nest.gif
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Through my work I recently came across a piece of commissioned research, focusing on the shoe buying habits of City workers. The most purchased shoe amongst this group in 2010 was the Church Chetwynd in Black.

 

 

That's interesting. While Chetwynd is a nice shoe and widely available I would have thought that their balmoral captoe shoe Consul would have been their top selling business shoe.

 

For a business shoe I would tend to stay away from brogues but maybe that's just my personal preference.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

In London and much of the rest of the world yes - this still seems to be the rule for the vast majority.
In most of America the war is on AGAINST black shoes it seems. I don't personally hate black shoes at all - just want more alternatives. I'm full up on 'Brown' at this point. Burgundy and oxblood are good alternates to black for winter wearing in my opinion. Too bad for C&J that they don't offer many - I'm going to have to go to Vass to get a couple of pairs - they do lovely red tones. nest.gif

They now offer the Arden in burgundy. I had an order in for those but was told they will not be in stock for a while.
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They now offer the Arden in burgundy. I had an order in for those but was told they will not be in stock for a while.

Burgundy Ardens would be sick. My next pair of shoes is a pair of black Ardens. I don't have any black shoes, and I really like the Arden.
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Burgundy Ardens would be sick. My next pair of shoes is a pair of black Ardens. I don't have any black shoes, and I really like the Arden.

I have the Arden in black--go to business shoe. My contact in NY says it will be a while before they have stock.
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That's interesting. While Chetwynd is a nice shoe and widely available I would have thought that their balmoral captoe shoe Consul would have been their top selling business shoe.

For a business shoe I would tend to stay away from brogues but maybe that's just my personal preference.


The Diplomat made into the list, but not the Consul. I do agree with you though.
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

Well that's because black is the only correct shoe with business attire.

Black is the most appropriate colour but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's incorrect.
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What I can't figure out is why they don't offer more models in burgundy, oxblood or chili sorts of colors. Are those colors just not popular with the UK buyers?


According to Men's Ex, top 3 selling C&J in UK are Connaught, Hallam (348) and Audley (358).  All in black.

 

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Originally Posted by claes500 View Post


Same with Seymour, they are migrating towards the No2 on the 358


Ya.  Such a tragedy.  And Seymour 1 is getting hard to find, at least in Royal Arcade. :(

 

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Originally Posted by Northampton Novice View Post

I can't help but feel the success of G&G and their sleek lasts is encouraging brands like C&J to offer more of their products in lasts 348/358.


It would be naive for C&J to compete against G&G or even EG with their offerings.  Aside from the fashion forward new 358 designs, C&J do charge an obscene amount for MTO (£700 vs. £400s handgrade), especially compared to G&G or EG (£150 MTO surcharge for both).  They should really instead offer a real MTO program that let you choose design and last for at least competitive pricing.

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