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post #4816 of 8175
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Originally Posted by gyasih View Post

Gents, I need some sizing advice.

I wear 337 and 363 lasts in 9.5UK, could I get away with 9.5 in 358?

363 and 358 are about the same length

post #4817 of 8175
The Shipton & Heneage Winchester by Crockett & Jones arrived this morning. Here’s a link to the shoe:
http://www.shipton-usa.com/winchester-mens-black-calf-half-brogue.html

I paid $385 - $50 discount + $25 shipping for a total of $360 or a little more than AE retail. The box appears to be the same green C&J benchgrade box without a logo on top plus a S&H sticker on the front. No bags included.



The sole and heel seem identical to my benchgrade shoes. If there’s a difference in leather quality or construction I can’t tell it.

The stitching and perforations are flawless. The perforation pattern around the laces, opening and heel cap are identical to my handgrade Cliffords and equal in precision. The seam at the back of the heel cap of the Cliffords is reinforced with an additional row of stitching but this seam looks the same as my benchgrade shoes.

(Clifford top, Winchester bottom)


The leather quality of the uppers is definitely a notch below benchgrade and more on par with or a little above AE levels. I’m not an expert on leather at all, but there are a lot more little micro-creases forming than I’ve experienced on my benchgrade C&Js.

(AE Delray, Winchester, Hallam)


The insole and leather on the interior of the shoe seems to be identical to benchgrade with one major change - the front part of the shoe under the vamp and toe is not leather lined! The printing reads “leather upper/lining” but clearly the lining is some sort of canvas there. I must admit, his was a bit of a surprise. That part would be below AE standards as the AEs I have are all fully lined. The eyelets are all reinforced underneath like the Hallams.



This is my first experience with the 236 last. UK9 seems to be the correct size for me but it is definitely a bit shorter than the 348 last that my other benchgrade (Hallam, Lowndes, Westbourne) shoes are on. 348 is a long last though.

It’s a nice, well made shoe. It’s not to C&J benchgrade standards but it seems like a pretty decent shoe nonetheless. You get what you pay for and here they compromised on the leather lining at the front and the leather quality of the uppers. The other details seem more in line with benchgrade level.
post #4818 of 8175
That leather/twill lining is unexpected to me, my Wilton were fully leather lined.

Probably they adjusted the specs to maintein the same (low) price,
(They cost almost the same since many years, few years ago they retail for just 20 £ or so under C&J, now they are under 100£ or more!)

Regarding the leather quality I am not sure they are inferior only for the creases (that look normal to me)
Probably the leather is clicked in a way that use more part of the hide with less waste of material, but it could be the same leather used for benchgrade.

But probably we'll never know the real specs, the shoes are very nice and with great price/quality/aesthetic ratio, enjoy them!
post #4819 of 8175
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Originally Posted by BeSpiffington View Post


Thank you very much chipshot. I just got home and performed a little Mac love on mine, and they look even better than when I put them on this morning. Go figure.

 

How in the world are there really not creases on those? Do you float across the ground without walking when you wear these? :)

post #4820 of 8175
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Originally Posted by alexSF View Post

That leather/twill lining is unexpected to me, my Wilton were fully leather lined.
I actually emailed them asking what's up since both the printing on the inside and the sticker on the bottom indicate a leather lining. We'll see what they say.
post #4821 of 8175
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Originally Posted by aldenfan View Post

How in the world are there really not creases on those? Do you float across the ground without walking when you wear these? smile.gif
I put shoestrees in them as soon as I get home and leave them in during wiping and buffing. I took them out for the photo. I've worn the Marlow PTB's about twice a month since I got them. They fit me extremely well and are just really good shoes.
post #4822 of 8175
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Originally Posted by BeSpiffington View Post


I put shoestrees in them as soon as I get home and leave them in during wiping and buffing. I took them out for the photo. I've worn the Marlow PTB's about twice a month since I got them. They fit me extremely well and are just really good shoes.

 

Intriguing. My Alden and Crockett and Jones I use shoes trees in. I don't wipe and buff them as often as I should probably. I wonder if my shoes trees aren't large enough for my shoes (even though they are labeled for that size of shoe). Do you upsize on your shoe trees to get them to fill your shoes out more to correct folding?

post #4823 of 8175
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Originally Posted by BeSpiffington View Post

Thank you very much chipshot. I just got home and performed a little Mac love on mine, and they look even better than when I put them on this morning. Go figure.

Badass.
post #4824 of 8175
The full toe jab trees fill out a lot better than split toes
post #4825 of 8175
aldenfan, in all honesty the trees I use are the same ones I get with my Alden's when I order them. The Crockett & Jones trees are out of my price range and unreasonably expensive.
post #4826 of 8175
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Originally Posted by hoit1981 View Post

Badass.
Thanks hoit.
post #4827 of 8175
Bespiff, those are awesom. Awesome polish
post #4828 of 8175
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

The full toe jab trees fill out a lot better than split toes
By "jab" do you mean Joseph A. Bank? Sometimes me so stupid. Just checking.
post #4829 of 8175
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Originally Posted by BeSpiffington View Post

By "jab" do you mean Joseph A. Bank? Sometimes me so stupid. Just checking.

Yes Jos A Bank, sorry for the confusion
post #4830 of 8175
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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post


Thanks C&J, but I think you accidentally skipped my question.

Are the Shipton & Hineage shoes made to Handgrade standards, or below?

 

Sorry for missing that one... Shipton shoes are all made in the same UK factory, but we would not like to comment on the quality of their branded shoes.


Crockett & Jones Online


Edited by CandJONLINE - 9/24/13 at 3:36am
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