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Originally Posted by BeSpiffington View Post


An absolutely beautiful pair of shoes sir. Are they your first handgrade C&J's, and do you think you would have benefitted from getting a MTM shoe? I'm just asking because its pretty cool if you can walk into a pair of $800 shoes and get a good fit.


No, this is the 3rd hand grade in my current collection.

I don't think a MTM shoe will give you a better fit than a RTW; the reason is that MTM use the same standard lasts as RTW; you might have thought of bespoke?

I think C&J offer some sort of customization, but I'm not sure.   However, since I live in a country with no direct C&J retail I probably can hardly benefit from that program.

post #4382 of 7601
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Originally Posted by Liquidus View Post


I have the same shoe but my shine on the toes is no where near as nice. What is your method?


No special method, just some good quality wax and a bit of elbow grease.   Also, a dab of water now and then, when polishing.

If you're not familiar with this forum, please check it out here: http://www.styleforum.net/t/228153/the-official-shoe-care-thread-tutorials-photos-etc/0_30

Good advice on how to shine your shoes.

post #4383 of 7601
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Originally Posted by riesenschnauser View Post


These are wonderful, wear them in good health!


Thank you!

post #4384 of 7601
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Originally Posted by kwhunter View Post


No, this is the 3rd hand grade in my current collection.
I don't think a MTM shoe will give you a better fit than a RTW; the reason is that MTM use the same standard lasts as RTW; you might have thought of bespoke?
I think C&J offer some sort of customization, but I'm not sure.   However, since I live in a country with no direct C&J retail I probably can hardly benefit from that program.
If they are your third pair of C&J handgrades you must really like them. Are they all on the same last? Thanks for the comparative info about C&J RTW vs. MTM. I wouldn't consider getting a bespoke Goodyear welted shoe. I'm saving that opportunity, by which I mean saving money, for a pair of handmade shoes. Three pairs is a solid recommendation, maybe I'll take a look at the handgrade line.
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Originally Posted by BeSpiffington View Post


If they are your third pair of C&J handgrades you must really like them. Are they all on the same last? Thanks for the comparative info about C&J RTW vs. MTM. I wouldn't consider getting a bespoke Goodyear welted shoe. I'm saving that opportunity, by which I mean saving money, for a pair of handmade shoes. Three pairs is a solid recommendation, maybe I'll take a look at the handgrade line.


The 1st is on the 358 last, the 2nd and 3rd are on the 363.   #4 will be on 369 drool.gif

 

PS   I'm wearing C&J for the last 15 years.

post #4386 of 7601
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Originally Posted by BeSpiffington View Post

Does C&J use plastic heel counters in all of their shoes?
To the best of my knowledge, yes. C&J have claimed that the use of plastic in toes and heels is due to the increased durability, particularly better resilience towards caved-in toe caps (this may happen after someone steps on you); however, I believe it is a less labor demanding (and more cost efficient) way of making shoes. The obvious downside with plastic counters is that they are also resilient to the shape of your foot...
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I wonder what other companies like Alden and Carmina use instead of plastic.
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Some don't use heel counters or toe stiffeners at all smile.gif
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post #4390 of 7601
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Originally Posted by kwhunter View Post

I was in Paris the other week and I couldn't miss the C&J store... now I'm short €600+...

Courtenay in burgundy calf, last 363.

Enjoy

 

 

 

 

 

Which shoe cream/polish did you use?

post #4391 of 7601
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Originally Posted by toblov View Post

 

Which shoe cream/polish did you use?


Saphir Medaille D'Or, burgundy.

post #4392 of 7601
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Originally Posted by chipshot View Post

I wonder what other companies like Alden and Carmina use instead of plastic.

 

Alden use plastic too, I believe, unsure about Carmina, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was plastic too.

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Originally Posted by joiji View Post

 

Alden use plastic too, I believe, unsure about Carmina, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was plastic too.

 

Even JL Paris uses plastic.

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Hmm, interesting. I can imagine that plastic is not very elastic and is thus much harder too shape than other materials. I can also imagine that due to the use of a plastic heel counter the leather at the heel stays very stiff for a longer time than on other places of the shoe.

 

I have the impression that every time I wear my Edgware's (I wear them today as well) the heel slippage is a tiny bit less. However, it's hard to tell if this is really the case or if it's just a psychological thing. But like I've said, I'll give it another month and see from there. This is my first Goodyear welted shoe so I don't have a real reference point on how they should break in. Like I've said before, the shoes aren't uncomfortable at all and even on the heels they don't give me real blisters (just two reddisch spots in the evening), it's just that the heel slippage is a bit annoying, as is the feeling that my feet is not 100% secure in the shoe.

 

But after my conversation with the C&J store manager I'm confident that the heel slippage will improve over time.

 

I apologies for my english, I hope everybody can understand it ;-)

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Originally Posted by Tuur View Post

Hmm, interesting. I can imagine that plastic is not very elastic and is thus much harder too shape than other materials. I can also imagine that due to the use of a plastic heel counter the leather at the heel stays very stiff for a longer time than on other places of the shoe.

 

I have the impression that every time I wear my Edgware's (I wear them today as well) the heel slippage is a tiny bit less. However, it's hard to tell if this is really the case or if it's just a psychological thing. But like I've said, I'll give it another month and see from there. This is my first Goodyear welted shoe so I don't have a real reference point on how they should break in. Like I've said before, the shoes aren't uncomfortable at all and even on the heels they don't give me real blisters (just two reddisch spots in the evening), it's just that the heel slippage is a bit annoying, as is the feeling that my feet is not 100% secure in the shoe.

 

But after my conversation with the C&J store manager I'm confident that the heel slippage will improve over time.

 

I apologies for my english, I hope everybody can understand it ;-)

 

The plastic used would be a heat formed plastic, which is 'set' into place on the last, so the toe and heel shapes remain how they were from the factory. 

 

I imagine you're experience with the shoe becoming more comfortable as you wear it more, and specifically less heel slip, is that the leather is becoming easier to bend as time passes. Something which is easier to bend would need less force to bend, so your heel doesn't need to create as much friction to stay in place as it once did.

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