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http://www.bensilver.com/The-Coniston-Boot,2147.html

Had been looking at this boot in recent times ($655). While I would have liked to patronize an American Company, I just couldn't swallow the additional funds I'd have to pay versus Robert Old ($507). So the good folks across the pond got my business. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Originally Posted by Morgan View Post

david3558, my understanding of the terminology is that the two shoes pictured in your post are both oxfords (i.e. they have closed lacing, unlike a derby). The bottom shoe, with its horizontal side seam, is a balmoral, also known as a "galosh oxford." The problem is that term "balmoral," which is a specific subset of "oxford," has been too broadly applied to oxfords in general, and the two terms have become synonymous for many people. In traditional usage, balmoral only applies to shoes with the horizontal side seam like the alfred Sargent pictured above.

Bingo!
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Originally Posted by Morgan View Post

david3558, my understanding of the terminology is that the two shoes pictured in your post are both oxfords (i.e. they have closed lacing, unlike a derby). The bottom shoe, with its horizontal side seam, is a balmoral, also known as a "galosh oxford." The problem is that term "balmoral," which is a specific subset of "oxford," has been too broadly applied to oxfords in general, and the two terms have become synonymous for many people. In traditional usage, balmoral only applies to shoes with the horizontal side seam like the alfred Sargent pictured above.

Thanks so much - yeah to me, I thought that the closed lacing, with it constructed under vamp meant balmoral - apparently I was wrong. So, OXFORD is actually the bigger group and then BALMORAL is a variant of it. Obviously in the states, we incorrectly refer to Bluchers/Derby's as Oxfords too.. which is confusing.

What are people's general thoughts on the Galosh Oxford/Balmoral - is it more dressy, etc than the now standard oxford look?
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Originally Posted by david3558 View Post

Thanks so much - yeah to me, I thought that the closed lacing, with it constructed under vamp meant balmoral - apparently I was wrong. So, OXFORD is actually the bigger group and then BALMORAL is a variant of it. Obviously in the states, we incorrectly refer to Bluchers/Derby's as Oxfords too.. which is confusing.

What are people's general thoughts on the Galosh Oxford/Balmoral - is it more dressy, etc than the now standard oxford look?

I definitely like them more. They look sleeker to me. Wish they made more balmoral shoes.
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My Skyes which I had converted to Dainite have made it over the pond and are waiting for me at home biggrin.gif

Too bad I'll be out of town until Wednesday...
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Originally Posted by Winston S. View Post

I definitely like them more. They look sleeker to me. Wish they made more balmoral shoes.

Yeah, it looks appealing to my eye - might have to get a pair. Can't believe I don't even have a pair of black bals. Any other makers of them?
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

Clifford is the c&J? I'm a big fan. Great looking wingtip and on the 341. What's not to like?

The saddle though... Couldn't wear it
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I think the Clifford is on the 337. Nice shoes and thinking between them or the Dover 2 for a nice spring shoe; heel fo the 337 is just a tad wide for me.

Alex for today:
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Ahhh yes, good call. Stevents Clifford reminds me of gdots shell finsbury inlove.gif

Yeah it's 337, really like the wider fit as it's perfect for me. A little surprised the 11Ds fit as normally I'd size 10.5 but got both and 11s were a lot better (US size). Shoe is nice, just a bit too sleek for my current uses as I don't need to dress up. Saddle wise no idea how to wear but had to get some russian reindeer and cordovan. Last is a bit funky, seems kinda wide but felt narrow so had to size up so fit's not fully there neither. What can I say, Bryan is a good salesman
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My first England-made shoes, Edgware. 8 weeks wating, but it's worthy. Bought from Edward of Manchest with 20% off discount at January's sale.

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Nice find, I was told by an SA that Peal shoes are all C&J - unless that's changed, I'd say so.
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http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Peal-Co.%C2%AE-Double-Monk-Strap-Shoes/MH00231,default,pd.html?dwvar_MH00231_Color=BLCK&contentpos=26&cgid=0522

Can anyone confirm these are C&J?

Anyone have these? If so, thoughts on sizing?
They are not sure last but normally monks on 348 long and narrow but tts for most
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by david3558 View Post

Nice find, I was told by an SA that Peal shoes are all C&J - unless that's changed, I'd say so.

Definitely not all C&J safe bet is those around 600 and above are. Or they may be AS

Cheaper ones are loake
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Originally Posted by david3558 View Post

Nice find, I was told by an SA that Peal shoes are all C&J - unless that's changed, I'd say so.

You mean all made in England Pearl shoes are C&J I assume. Last time an SA was trying to convince me a pair of made in Italy shearling boots were C&J
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Definitely not all C&J safe bet is those around 600 and above are. Or they may be AS

Cheaper ones are loake

that too, I thought only AS, didn't know loake as well
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that too, I thought only AS, didn't know loake as well

More recently Loake. Not sure if AS is making any current models again but they used to make a number of them many years ago.
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post

You mean all made in England Pearl shoes are C&J I assume. Last time an SA was trying to convince me a pair of made in Italy shearling boots were C&J

Yes - sorry had to clarify.
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