Originally Posted by alexSF
Someone could help me in C&J sizing?
Unfortunately the only C&J that I owned and tried was the marlow penny in size 9D (314 last) that fitted in this way
(the foot could't enter more):
I am a Uk 8.5 in many brands and was a surprise to find that 314 last was so narrow and short.
(And as far as I understand US 9D is exactly a Uk 8.5E in Boston Loafer)
Now I would like to order the Shipton & Heneage Wilton (72 last offered in Ex and G width) and I would avoid to return the shoes one or two times.
I wear Size 8.5 F in various Sanders Mcnairy, 8.5 F in Loake 026, 8G in Church's 173 and others.
C&J lasts are so narrow? Would I order UK 9G in Wilton?
Thanks in advance
FWIW I wear Church's 173 in 8G which I wouldn't call particularly wide however it is a long last, certainly much longer than the C&J 314 so you are not really comparing like with like.
Church's 93 last is often used on their loafers, the Keats tassel springs to mind and is more like the 314 in that it is also very short, certainly too short and narrow for me in 8F even though I am a UK8. My experience of Church’s F fits is that they are often narrower than or just similar to C&J's E fit depending on the shoe type. I think C&J's benchgrade lasts are the definition of standard widths, they are neither narrow but nor are they wide.
C&J 314 last is the shortest in their entire benchgrade range that I have experience of. Initially I found it very difficult to get into the 314 lasted C&J cordovan Harvard penny shoe in 8E but it has broken in nicely after wearing with the thinnest pair of socks I have. You also need to factor in the penny strap (the full strap as per the RL shoe also may have made the shoe tighter for you but don't forget loafers need to be a bit less forgiving than lace ups anyway, too big and there will be significant slippage).
I have also tried the 325 lasted cordovan Henley penny in 8E but simply couldn't get my feet into it which was a real surprise as I have 325 lasted Cardiff, Coniston, Onslow and Cavendish tassel and have no problems there. The 325 isn't a particularly long last either so I think if your feet are any way wide and with a high instep the penny strap can make it difficult to get into the C&J E fit without going up a half a size which I wasn't prepared to do on a 500 euro pair of shoes.
However word of warning regarding C&J's G lasted shoes. The Pembroke wingtip in E fit (like RL's Darlton w'tip) is made on the 325, however the G fit Pembroke which is made on a different last, the 317 is a MASSIVE fit.
EX might be best for you and if the Hilton in made on the 72 last you could also contact C&J themselves for fitting advice as their RTW Langham tassel loafer is also made on this last in an EX fit.