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Originally Posted by puffy View Post
 

They are by request only from what my C&J contact tells me. The micro rubber is a thinner sole. Quite comfy.

 

The Ryder III, a bit clunky looking, looked at it yesterday but Church's QC prevents me from reaching for my credit card.

 

Look at the C&J Tetbury, less clunky than the Molton and Ryder III.

 

Can you explain the micro rubber a little more? Does it have the same traction pattern as dainite but thinner?

 

I actually already own the Tetbury in black nubuck, and it's awesome to wear with formal wear. I'm hoping to get some dark brown suede chukkas for everyday wear with jeans. I like the Church's, but I have almost entirely C&J already and they've never let me down. 

post #6857 of 12759
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Is cigar the standard shell color or is this something new/different?
I think it is much lighter then the standard no. 8 color. I will post pics today when the box arrives.
post #6858 of 12759
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Is cigar the standard shell color or is this something new/different?
Guess the question here is whether you are referring to the general standard shell color or the RL/C&J standard shell color. The cigar is what is mostly used with the C&J shoes that have been done for RL. #8 or black is the standard shell color in general. Cigar is harder to come by.
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

Guess the question here is whether you are referring to the general standard shell color or the RL/C&J standard shell color. The cigar is what is mostly used with the C&J shoes that have been done for RL. #8 or black is the standard shell color in general. Cigar is harder to come by.
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I associate Cigar with Alden, and it's usually a very dark brown. In my experience, the Lindrick and Marlow(s) can be much lighter, kind of between the Alden Cigar and Ravello shades. Personally, I would not use C&J and Cigar in the same sentence as it's a completely different color. C&J do use a burgundy, which is also lighter (in my experience) to Alden's #8, and they use whiskey which seems darker than the Alden whiskey.
post #6860 of 12759
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

Guess the question here is whether you are referring to the general standard shell color or the RL/C&J standard shell color. The cigar is what is mostly used with the C&J shoes that have been done for RL. #8 or black is the standard shell color in general. Cigar is harder to come by.
That's the nub of what I was asking; essentially, were aglose's "cigar shell" Lindricks in a different color than my Lindricks? Which, it doesn't sound like - it sounds like they are all cigar (with natural and sometimes wide running variations, of course). I just jumped because he cited it specifically which, never having seen it stated like that before, thought "wow, there's a different color out there!".

Carry on.
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I associate Cigar with Alden, and it's usually a very dark brown. In my experience, the Lindrick and Marlow(s) can be much lighter, kind of between the Alden Cigar and Ravello shades. Personally, I would not use C&J and Cigar in the same sentence as it's a completely different color. C&J do use a burgundy, which is also lighter (in my experience) to Alden's #8, and they use whiskey which seems darker than the Alden whiskey.
Right, C&J does use other colors, but I was specifically referring to C&J for RL. I haven't seen any non-"cigar" shell C&J for RL shoes/boots. I would describe the Lincolns and Giannis closer to Cigar than Ravello too. My Marlow Wingtips are pretty dark. This was when they were new, but I am trying to keep them as dark as possible. I guess if we aren't going to use cigar with C&J for RL we would use brown or dark brown.
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

Guess the question here is whether you are referring to the general standard shell color or the RL/C&J standard shell color. The cigar is what is mostly used with the C&J shoes that have been done for RL. #8 or black is the standard shell color in general. Cigar is harder to come by.
That's the nub of what I was asking; essentially, were aglose's "cigar shell" Lindricks in a different color than my Lindricks? Which, it doesn't sound like - it sounds like they are all cigar (with natural and sometimes wide running variations, of course). I just jumped because he cited it specifically which, never having seen it stated like that before, thought "wow, there's a different color out there!".

Carry on.

No, they are not.

As far as I can tell, C&J (and C&J for RL) designate the color either brown or dark brown, but not cigar. Alden's Cigar - whether a lighter batch or a darker batch - is a different color than C&J's brown/dark brown. Or at least it is in my personal collection. I have various models of each color. Alden's Cigar can have olive hues; that is something I have never detected on my C&J's.
post #6863 of 12759
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

Right, C&J does use other colors, but I was specifically referring to C&J for RL. I haven't seen any non-"cigar" shell C&J for RL shoes/boots. I would describe the Lincolns and Giannis closer to Cigar than Ravello too. My Marlow Wingtips are pretty dark. This was when they were new, but I am trying to keep them as dark as possible. I guess if we aren't going to use cigar with C&J for RL we would use brown or dark brown.

Interesting, because yours do appear to have some olive tones. Mine looked similar to this when I first purchased, but not as olive-y. I also have not tried to keep them dark, and use a neutral cream on them (very occasionally). These are my ~1yr old tips...

post #6864 of 12759
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Originally Posted by hoit1981 View Post

Interesting, because yours do appear to have some olive tones. Mine looked similar to this when I first purchased, but not as olive-y. I also have not tried to keep them dark, and use a neutral cream on them (very occasionally). These are my ~1yr old tips... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Yeah you look at my shoes and you look at your shoes and you would never guess they were supposed to be the same colored shoe.
post #6865 of 12759
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For my chestnut Westbournes which are from the benchgrade collection I use Saphir cognac, both cream and wax. Sometimes I throw some Mahogany on the toe cap (1/4 of the time), but only the wax not the cream. For my Hangrade Somervilles, which are also called chestnut (but are a completely different color - much more red), I use Saphir mahogany cream and wax.

Which is more brown, mahogany or cognac? My Monkton is more brown with a hint of red and I would like stay closer to brown.
post #6866 of 12759
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Which is more brown, mahogany or cognac? My Monkton is more brown with a hint of red and I would like stay closer to brown.

Cognac is more brown. Here's a comparison shot:



And here is medium brown:

post #6867 of 12759
I haven't received the shoes yet so I'm not really sure what color they are, I just went off of what the seller listed them as.
post #6868 of 12759
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Cognac is more brown. Here's a comparison shot:



And here is medium brown:


Thank you very much! That's a big help, hard to tell from saphire's website.
post #6869 of 12759
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Thank you very much! That's a big help, hard to tell from saphire's website.

for what it's worth, my shell unlined Harvards are the same color as my Marlow Penny.  They start out very dark and then lighten up with wear.

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Some spring Peal & Co. by C&J pron...

 

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