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post #1876 of 12854
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Originally Posted by dsmivtr View Post

The subtotal (minus VAT) is cheaper if ordered through C&J UK compared to ordering MSRP in the US (asuming US based) but this is only true if fees and tariffs are not added. If you buy shoes from the UK and they are inspected and deemed merchandise in customs, then you will be subject to fees. These fees closely resemble the difference 'saved' from buying in the US. How often this happens varies depending on the carrier used. It always seems like a 'deal' until you receive the bill.
The same argument can be made if you live in a different state and ordered from C&J NYC. If I purchase from the NYC store, I have to pay city and sales tax whereas someone in CT can order shoes and avoid the taxes.
Regarding limiting business, there are many benefits of having a B&M store such has the ability to be fitted properly, handling the merchandise, and developing a relationship with the sales staff. I assume there are enough people who prefer to shop via this method especially if they are less familiar with C&J shoes.

Why does C&J UK allow the sale of their shoes to customers who have a store in their country though? I think it would be more profitable for C&J to "refer" customers to the U.S. store, in this case, and make them pay U.S. prices. If the customer wants to do a custom make up or needs a shoe that the NY store doesn't have, then it should be sourced from the UK, but sold at U.S. prices.
post #1877 of 12854
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Originally Posted by Winston S. View Post

Why does C&J UK allow the sale of their shoes to customers who have a store in their country though? I think it would be more profitable for C&J to "refer" customers to the U.S. store, in this case, and make them pay U.S. prices. If the customer wants to do a custom make up or needs a shoe that the NY store doesn't have, then it should be sourced from the UK, but sold at U.S. prices.

Possibly because every store has some level of autonomy and would rather sell you a pair of shoes themselves rather than refer you to another store. Also, it's not more profitable, assuming the difference is just what C&J has to pay in duties. If that's the case, they should actually prefer to sell you from the U&K store and avoid you paying duties (so you have money for more shoes).
post #1878 of 12854
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Originally Posted by Liquidus View Post

Possibly because every store has some level of autonomy and would rather sell you a pair of shoes themselves rather than refer you to another store. Also, it's not more profitable, assuming the difference is just what C&J has to pay in duties. If that's the case, they should actually prefer to sell you from the U&K store and avoid you paying duties (so you have money for more shoes).

I mean if they made this company policy that a store could not sell to someone that resided in a country where they already have an existing store than the store would not have a choice. I think the assumption in the price difference is that there is more of a difference than just duties between the UK price and US price as described by scurveyfreedman above, but then again these are all assumptions.
post #1879 of 12854
FYI-I emailed C&J in the UK and asked the price of shoe model and they quoted me about $100 cheaper then the NY store.
post #1880 of 12854

In sweden all the retailstores has the exact same pricing.

On some models i´ll save around 100euro if i order from the UK.

 

I´ll continue to do so until the stores in sweden lower their prices......

 

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I have the Westbourne in Black and Beechnut, Black Monkton, Brown Lowdens, brown Hallem and a few other Santoni bluchers but no boots, suede anything or wingtips. (Since I live in Arizona I just have really never been in the immediate need for any boots besides Chukas) I have a source that is selling the beechnut Drummond (new) which is no longer sold in that color any blavk, brown or suede in the Saville, and any color of the Tetburys is available as well. Now, I don't have any real need for more shoes at the moment and my wife would kill me if I bought more but the deal is pretty good and so I don't want to pass it up. I can always ask my wife for forgiveness instead of permission, so my only dilemma is I'm just not sold on the Tetbury for some reason. I only see myself wearing them with jeans and if I'm wearing my monkton with jeans the exposed shoe looks exactly alike. I know this is contradictory to what I just said, but I also think the Tetbury might look too pointy. I realize that makes no sense, given all my C&J shoes are on the 348 last, and I don't think of any of those are are too pointy but for some reason I think the Tetbury would. Crazy, I know. The Drummond is cool but I could live without a wingtip and the savile is great but I already have a single strap monk but nothing in suede.

So any C&j fans out there that care to weigh in on whether I should pick them up?
Edited by jfancher - 7/25/12 at 10:34pm
post #1882 of 12854
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Originally Posted by jfancher View Post

I have the Westbourne in Black and Beechnut, Black Monkton, Brown Lowdens, brown Hallem and a few other Santoni bluchers but no boots, suede anything or wingtips. (Since I live in Arizona I just have really never been in the immediate need for any boots besides Chukas) I have a source that is selling the beechnut Drummond (new) which is no longer sold in that color any blavk, brown or suede in the Saville, and any color of the Tetburys is available as well. Now, I don't have any real need for more shoes at the moment and my wife would kill me if I bought more but the deal is pretty good and so I don't want to pass it up. I can always ask my wife for forgiveness instead of permission, so my only dilemma is I'm just not sold on the Tetbury for some reason. I only see myself wearing them with jeans and if I'm wearing my monkton with jeans the exposed shoe looks exactly alike. I know this is contradictory to what I just said, but I also think the Tetbury might look too pointy. I realize that makes no sense, given all my C&J shoes are on the 348 last, and I don't think of any of those are are too pointy but for some reason I think the Tetbury would. Crazy, I know. The Drummond is cool but I could live without a wingtip and the savile is great but I already have a single strap monk but nothing in suede.
So any C&j fans out there that care to weigh in on whether I should pick them up?

Do you mean Chestnut? I don't see a Beechnut color listed on the website. Or is this a discontinued color?

post #1883 of 12854
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Originally Posted by jfancher View Post

I have the Westbourne in Black and Beechnut, Black Monkton, Brown Lowdens, brown Hallem and a few other Santoni bluchers but no boots, suede anything or wingtips. (Since I live in Arizona I just have really never been in the immediate need for any boots besides Chukas) I have a source that is selling the beechnut Drummond (new) which is no longer sold in that color any blavk, brown or suede in the Saville, and any color of the Tetburys is available as well. Now, I don't have any real need for more shoes at the moment and my wife would kill me if I bought more but the deal is pretty good and so I don't want to pass it up. I can always ask my wife for forgiveness instead of permission, so my only dilemma is I'm just not sold on the Tetbury for some reason. I only see myself wearing them with jeans and if I'm wearing my monkton with jeans the exposed shoe looks exactly alike. I know this is contradictory to what I just said, but I also think the Tetbury might look too pointy. I realize that makes no sense, given all my C&J shoes are on the 348 last, and I don't think of any of those are are too pointy but for some reason I think the Tetbury would. Crazy, I know. The Drummond is cool but I could live without a wingtip and the savile is great but I already have a single strap monk but nothing in suede.
So any C&j fans out there that care to weigh in on whether I should pick them up?

Not sure if I would be a reliable source to provide you feedback since I prefer wingtips (over half of my shoes are wingtips I think) and I actually need want a pair of Tetburys and Drummonds in black. smile.gif

The plain toe of the Tetbury does make it sleek but I think as a chukka boot it looks smart. I think you can wear them with a suit (as long you don't subscribe to the balmoral only with suits rule) if the environment is not too conservative. The Monkton does have the same plain toe but the buckle is exposed enough to give it a different look. Some, like myself, consider this 'variety' but if you are more practical, maybe the look is redundant.

If they are size UK6, I'll take both the Tetbury and Drummond off your hands. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post

Do you mean Chestnut? I don't see a Beechnut color listed on the website. Or is this a discontinued color?

I believe Beechnut is a D/C'ed color. Gdot has a pair of Drummonds in Beechnut IIRC.
post #1884 of 12854
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Originally Posted by dsmivtr View Post

Not sure if I would be a reliable source to provide you feedback since I prefer wingtips (over half of my shoes are wingtips I think) and I actually need want a pair of Tetburys and Drummonds in black. smile.gif
The plain toe of the Tetbury does make it sleek but I think as a chukka boot it looks smart. I think you can wear them with a suit (as long you don't subscribe to the balmoral only with suits rule) if the environment is not too conservative. The Monkton does have the same plain toe but the buckle is exposed enough to give it a different look. Some, like myself, consider this 'variety' but if you are more practical, maybe the look is redundant.
If they are size UK6, I'll take both the Tetbury and Drummond off your hands. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
I believe Beechnut is a D/C'ed color. Gdot has a pair of Drummonds in Beechnut IIRC.

Correct. They discontinued the Beechnut Drummonds. But still offer the Merton in Beechnut. I have both.
post #1885 of 12854
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Originally Posted by jfancher View Post

, but I also think the Tetbury might look too pointy. I realize that makes no sense, given all my C&J shoes are on the 348 last, and I don't think of any of those are are too pointy but for some reason I think the Tetbury would.

IMO, the Tetbury does look more pointy and more narrow than the other 348s. Also the Tetbury is a bit longer than the other 348s, at least based on the comparison I did between my black Tetbury and the Westbourne, Alex, Hallam, Merton.
post #1886 of 12854
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Originally Posted by jfancher View Post


So any C&j fans out there that care to weigh in on whether I should pick them up?

How about the dark brown suede Tetbury? I'm not a style expert, but IMO a pair of dark brown suede boots match blue jeans very well.

FYI, I wear my black calf Tetbury in office attire to work, and I never feel uncomfortable about it. But one thing you must know is that the calf leather on the Tetbury is different from the calf leather used in other C&J shoes. I never asked C&J to know more about the calf they use on the Tetbury, but at least from my rough eyes the calf on Tetbury looks a tad less 'dress shoe' and the creases are more prominent on the Tetbury calf.
post #1887 of 12854
Anybody has any experience with C&J Clarendon in last 358 the one with apron stiching and split toe looks like reverse stiched?

I have a pair of the Talbot last 348 apron style but no split toe stiching, and the Merton (the slip on version of the Talbot). My question is that would getting a pair of the Clarendon be a waste / unnecessary considering the almost similar look (besides Clarendon being handgrade)? Thanks.
post #1888 of 12854
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Originally Posted by clock View Post

How about the dark brown suede Tetbury? I'm not a style expert, but IMO a pair of dark brown suede boots match blue jeans very well.
FYI, I wear my black calf Tetbury in office attire to work, and I never feel uncomfortable about it. But one thing you must know is that the calf leather on the Tetbury is different from the calf leather used in other C&J shoes. I never asked C&J to know more about the calf they use on the Tetbury, but at least from my rough eyes the calf on Tetbury looks a tad less 'dress shoe' and the creases are more prominent on the Tetbury calf.

It is a different leather termed 'nubuck' and IIRC, is a form of corrected-type leather? Others might be able to provide information.
post #1889 of 12854
Nubuck is leather that is used 'right side out' and has an abraded or sanded surface. This usually results in a tighter/denser plush than suede. Suede is leather that is used 'inside out' and has an abraded or sanded surface.

Often lesser quality suede is actually created from a split in which the thickness of the hide is split into two or more layers. The lower layers with no 'natural' surface texture are used to create either suede or 'corrected grain' leathers. This technique is often done with the hides taken from full grown cows, as the skin is very thick on these animals. The skin thickness of a calf is less and thus it makes a better material for shoes in that you can maintain the structural integrity of the entire thickness of the hide and the leather is still a good thickness for shoemaking. And of course calfskin is generally prettier than cow skin as well. Time takes it toll on cows just as it does on people.
post #1890 of 12854
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

Nubuck is leather that is used 'right side out' and has an abraded or sanded surface. This usually results in a tighter/denser plush than suede. Suede is leather that is used 'inside out' and has an abraded or sanded surface.
Often lesser quality suede is actually created from a split in which the thickness of the hide is split into two or more layers. The lower layers with no 'natural' surface texture are used to create either suede or 'corrected grain' leathers. This technique is often done with the hides taken from full grown cows, as the skin is very thick on these animals. The skin thickness of a calf is less and thus it makes a better material for shoes in that you can maintain the structural integrity of the entire thickness of the hide and the leather is still a good thickness for shoemaking. And of course calfskin is generally prettier than cow skin as well. Time takes it toll on cows just as it does on people.

Not sure if the material is nubuck but instead C&J uses the term 'nubuck' for the leather. From the Tetbury that I've seen in the store, the leather looks like it was semi-corrected (is this actually a term?) calf-grain and not made of nubuck leather (which has suede-like texture).

clock, if your Tetbury made of nubuck (the leather Gdot described)?
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