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Originally Posted by Carson View Post
 

Stumbled upon these on ebay last week for $235, took a chance, and it ended up paying off nicely. Crockett & Jones for Ralph Lauren…a rough out WWII-style boot on commando sole. The fit is perfect and they've been getting a lot of wear lately...

 


As far as I know those boots were made by Alfred Sargent on their 88 last and not Crockett Jones.

post #11222 of 12774
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Originally Posted by Cleav View Post

All this talk of whole cuts, here and on GNAT...

Getting reacquainted with these today



 

Hey @Cleav, do you happen to have these for sale at the moment? ;)

post #11223 of 12774
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Originally Posted by EnglishShoes View Post

Hey @Cleav
, do you happen to have these for sale at the moment? wink.gif

No, emphatically no! Though I know why you ask. I was busy on the interwebz when I should have busy doing other things and came across an ebay listing that looked familiar. On further investigation someone, selling a pair, had posted my pic as the lead photo without permission. I asked the question, they tried to bluff it and relented.. I agreed to let them use the pic if they made to clear it wasn't a photo of the shoe for sale. I also pointed out that the sizing was incorrect, they put that right too.

Having said all that is that why you asked the question?
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I just spotted the listing and I thought I recognised the shoe from this thread!  Distinctive patina.

 

ETA: Their actual shoe looks a totally different shade to yours too.  Very misleading to lead with your photo.

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Originally Posted by EnglishShoes View Post

I just spotted the listing and I thought I recognised the shoe from this thread!  Distinctive patina.

Thanks for the nod anyway, much appreciated.

I do have shoes for sale though (no listings), no reasonable offer refused on any in Cleav's shoes
post #11226 of 12774
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Originally Posted by EnglishShoes View Post

I just spotted the listing and I thought I recognised the shoe from this thread!  Distinctive patina.

ETA: Their actual shoe looks a totally different shade to yours too.  Very misleading to lead with your photo.


Yeah, I thought it was misleading as there was 5 people watching. Hence asking them to take the pic down or make it clear it was not a photo of the shoe for sale biggrin.gif
post #11227 of 12774
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Originally Posted by Tamyom View Post
 


As far as I know those boots were made by Alfred Sargent on their 88 last and not Crockett Jones.

 

That's interesting, what information are you drawing that conclusion from?

 

There are two other current listings on ebay as well that both also think it's a C&J boot…one, a UK-seller that does a lot of C&J and should know better,

and the other, a forum member who also knows his UK boots well...

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ralph-Lauren-by-Crockett-Jones-Rough-Out-Suede-Boots-Shoes-Size-UK-10-5-/121897420359?hash=item1c61a70647:g:lUcAAOSwWnFWApOz

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182039469586?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

post #11228 of 12774
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Originally Posted by Carson View Post

That's interesting, what information are you drawing that conclusion from?

There are two other current listings on ebay as well that both also think it's a C&J boot…one, a UK-seller that does a lot of C&J and should know better,
and the other, a forum member who also knows his UK boots well...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ralph-Lauren-by-Crockett-Jones-Rough-Out-Suede-Boots-Shoes-Size-UK-10-5-/121897420359?hash=item1c61a70647:g:lUcAAOSwWnFWApOz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182039469586?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

@Tamyom is right, and all these boots are 100% Alfred Sargent on their 88 last.
It's a common mistake to consider that stamp a C&J stamp, but it isn't.

It is the old AS stamp used in their classic and premier line (before they switched to handgrade / exclusive etc.)
They used to make shoes for Polo in the early 2000's
post #11229 of 12774
But isn't that stamp exactly the same as that used by C&J?
post #11230 of 12774
Trying to figure out which one to keep.
CJ Swansea or peal co swb considering I will wear these maybe once a week don't think i want to keep them both.



post #11231 of 12774
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Originally Posted by Dd1101 View Post

Trying to figure out which one to keep.
CJ Swansea or peal co swb considering I will wear these maybe once a week don't think i want to keep them both.


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They both look great.  I think it depends on how you'll be wearing them.  

 

If with business attire, I'd opt for the slightly pointier toe on your left foot.  With bar lacing, they would look especially nice.

 

If with casual attire, I'd opt for the slightly more rounded toe on your right foot.

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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post

But isn't that stamp exactly the same as that used by C&J?

they're very similar…it still looks a lot more like my other C&J boots than an AS

post #11233 of 12774
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Originally Posted by alexSF View Post


@Tamyom is right, and all these boots are 100% Alfred Sargent on their 88 last.
It's a common mistake to consider that stamp a C&J stamp, but it isn't.

It is the old AS stamp used in their classic and premier line (before they switched to handgrade / exclusive etc.)
They used to make shoes for Polo in the early 2000's


Right.

 

I owned a pair of these boots a few years ago and sent a picture of the inside markings to Alfred Sargent. Their customer service confirmed me they had manufactured those boots for the american market (without mentioning RL).

 

Anyway, for anyone who owns AS boots, those markings are very familiar, and the 88 last is one of their most known.

 

As per the Ebay UK seller mentioned by @Carson , it is not the first time they make this type of mistake.

post #11234 of 12774
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Originally Posted by Tamyom View Post
 


Right.

 

I owned a pair of these boots a few years ago and sent a picture of the inside markings to Alfred Sargent. Their customer service confirmed me they had manufactured those boots for the american market (without mentioning RL).

 

Anyway, for anyone who owns AS boots, those markings are very familiar, and the 88 last is one of their most known.

 

As per the Ebay UK seller mentioned by @Carson , it is not the first time they make this type of mistake.

THanks for the information there. The leather appears to be kind of a waxy rough out. How did you take care of it??

post #11235 of 12774
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Originally Posted by Carson View Post
 

THanks for the information there. The leather appears to be kind of a waxy rough out. How did you take care of it??


I treated mine with Saphir dark brown crème de luxe, and wax of the same brand, which I also use with my other pairs of box calf shoes and boots.On the long term they lost that distressed rough out look, which didn't bother me personally, and the leather became homogeneous in apperance, like a waxy leather.

 

I would not advise you to proceed as I did if you want to preserve the exact used distressed look they have when new. I wouldn't know if there is a specific product you could use to treat and preserve that leather without changing the aesthetics.

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