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Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post

Thanks! I'm curious to hear how it compares to UK sized 348 lasted shoes.

Good to know who sniped on the 8.5s lol
post #10427 of 13163
I assume Stevent got the green scotch grain wing tips in 10.5 at the Barneys sale.
post #10428 of 13163
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post

I assume Stevent got the green scotch grain wing tips in 10.5 at the Barneys sale.

LOL @stevent
post #10429 of 13163
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Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post

Do you own them? How did you size?
Yes. Sizing is true to your American size.
They come in Loden and brown. They are on the 325 last. Both colors are great.

Also, check out the scotchgrain green shortwing on the 325 last as well. Sizing on those is TTS as well.
post #10430 of 13163
I compared and measured the length of my tetburys in 7.5 UK to my 8.5 US Lingfields from Barneys.

The Lingfield's were roughly 1mm longer. So based on my estimate, 7.5UK is pretty close to Barnyes 8.5US.

But should note that the Tetbury's have been used heavily while the Lingfields are still new. So I don't know if that would make a difference.
post #10431 of 13163
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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post

That debate hasn't been fully settled yet, but I think the US size is one full size up from UK size.

Can anybody confirm?

I have a theory regarding the UK and US sizing of C&J shoes. In the UK, for C&J, "E" is the standard width/fitting. In the US, "D" is the standard width. At first I assumed (and, I think, many people have assumed) that C&J when making shoes under various US labels (RL, BB, Barneys, etc.) would simply remark UK standard width shoes with its corresponding US standard width size; that is, it would remark go up 1 full size and go down 1 width. For example, I assumed that C&J, for a US label, would remark a UK9E to US10D. However, after trying on (and in many cases buying and having to resell) many, many pairs of shoes made by C&J under its own label and under various US labels, it is my theory (and just my opinion) that the size shown on every pair of shoes made by C&J - irrespective of the label it is sold under - is the UK size. Aside from my mixed results in trying on the various pairs my theory is based on the following:

1. I learned that the pair's size and width is imprinted on the insole of every pair of C&J shoes just about where the 1/2 sock liner ends. And, in each instance the size and width imprinted on the insole matched the size and width shown on the inner side of the shoe. I believe that the size shown on the inner side of the shoe is for the benefit of the retailer and the customer, and I believe that the size on the insole is for the benefit of those on the production floor making the shoe. If so, then for practical purposes the size shown on the insole would always be the UK size. It would be too confusing on the plant floor for C&J to use an insole for UK targeted pairs marked 9E and to use an insole of the exact same dimensions for US targeted pairs marked 10D. If C&J were to remark the shoe it would do so on the inner side of the shoe. So, if the size shown on the insole is the UK size and if that size is always the same as shown on the inner side of the shoe, then the shoe's size is always the UK size.

2. A C&J representative, in reply to an inquiry I made, stated that C&J has found that generally the heel of the average American heel is narrower than the heel of the average Brit. I believe that C&J has found that the more narrow D width/fitting suits the American foot better than the standard British E width/fitting and that the marginal increase in length is irrelevant.

As one example, I own a pair of C&J marked 11.5E on the 337 last. I just bought a pair of BB (by C&J) marked 12D on the 341 last. The BB 12D pair is slightly longer than the C&J 11.5E. That would not be the case if the BB pair was actually a remarked UK11E.

So, with regard to Barney's C&J offerings, I believe that they are all UK sized in the D width/fitting. If you know your size in a pair of C&J E width/fiting shoes, then go 1 size up. If you do not know, then order your typical US size.
post #10432 of 13163
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post

I assume Stevent got the green scotch grain wing tips in 10.5 at the Barneys sale.

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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

LOL @stevent

Haha they should be here next week. Had that shoe bookmarked for months

Regarding C&J sizing to US brands it's definitely not as simple as some shoes seem to be UK D width and some seem to be UK E width even if both are marked US D width. Would be easier if they just kept UK sizes only
post #10433 of 13163
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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post

Thanks for the detailed response, James. Can you also clarify how sizing works for the shoes you produce for Barneys? Is a 9D for Barney's an 8UK narrow? That is, how does the sizing conversion work?

Not a problem. Sizing is confusing, and there is no cut and dry rules as all lasts fit differently.  A Barney's 9D from Crockett & Jones in our NYC shop, would convert roughly to 8 1/2E. Kevin will be able to talk you through fitting difference of each last number. 

Thought I would repost the above since Barney's sizing is again at issue. The post from C&J essentially means: take your UK C&J size (for me, UK8E) and go up 1/2 size at Barneys (for me US8.5D). For the most part this has worked for me. My typical US size is 9D.
post #10434 of 13163
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post

I assume Stevent got the green scotch grain wing tips in 10.5 at the Barneys sale.

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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

LOL @stevent

Haha they should be here next week. Had that shoe bookmarked for months

Regarding C&J sizing to US brands it's definitely not as simple as some shoes seem to be UK D width and some seem to be UK E width even if both are marked US D width. Would be easier if they just kept UK sizes only

So true. So true.
post #10435 of 13163
Just heard back fro C&J on Barney's sizing:

Thank you for your email. The shoes we make for Barneys are made in US sizes. For shoes from our retail stores you typically need to drop one full size from your US size (e.g. US 8.5 = UK 7.5). This is the case for a majority of the lasts we sell in Barneys. If you have any questions concerning a particular model, please let us know and we'll offer you the best guidance possible.


@mxgreen to your point above:

I measured an 8.5D Barneys with a 7.5UK and found only a 1mm differential. Would 1mm really be the difference between a full size or even half size?

Because when I try them on, they both fit fine. The 8.5D from Barneys is also about 1mm narrower (but again, the barneys doesn't have any wear, so maybe it hasn't stretched as much as my tetburys).
post #10436 of 13163
Hoping to trade my lightly worn 7E UK Islays for any 7.5E C&J boots. Please PM me if you're interested. Thanks!
post #10437 of 13163
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Originally Posted by Allen Dreadmon View Post

Hoping to trade my lightly worn 7E UK Islays for any 7.5E C&J boots. Please PM me if you're interested. Thanks!

Hey bud,

Not looking for a trade, but if you're interested I purchased the BB C&J Conistons in 8.5D with a 40% off coupon. I decided to return it. But if you want it at cost, let me know!

At 40% off, that'll be cheaper than the boxing day sale.

Thanks!

Haven't heard back yet from previous interested party, but the boot is technically on conditional hold..
post #10438 of 13163
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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post

Hey bud,

Not looking for a trade, but if you're interested I purchased the BB C&J Conistons in 8.5D with a 40% off coupon. I decided to return it. But if you want it at cost, let me know!

At 40% off, that'll be cheaper than the boxing day sale.

Thanks!

Haven't heard back yet from previous interested party, but the boot is technically on conditional hold..

Thanks, I saw your post. I'm partial to the 325 last for the Conistons though.
post #10439 of 13163

I hope someone could help me estimate the fit of Westbourne oxford, last 348, uk7.

 

I am especially concerned about the heel slippage because the heel of C&J is large for me across different lasts. By large, I mean instep too high, heel too wide. By heel, what I mean is the insole. Thank you for your advice

 

My experience with C&J,

Sydney loafer, last 341, uk7: the toe box fits tight but just right, can't do a smaller size. the heel is tad large, but can still grab my feet. There is small gap behind my heel, but I don't think I could squeeze in my index finger.

 

Weybridge oxford, last 360, US8 by barneys: the toe box is voluminous, the heel is wide, I can easily squeeze in the index finger behind my heel. I return this pair.

 

My thoughts:

A lot of people compare 348 with 341. It seems the general consensus is that 348 is tad longer than 341. Does anyone who have experience with both lasts could share how they feel on your heel?

post #10440 of 13163
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Originally Posted by CandJONLINE View Post
 

 

Not a problem. Sizing is confusing, and there is no cut and dry rules as all lasts fit differently.  A Barney's 9D from Crockett & Jones in our NYC shop, would convert roughly to 8 1/2E. Kevin will be able to talk you through fitting difference of each last number. 


I think CandJONLINE is right. My size is UK7, but US8 barneys is too big for me. By the way, CandJONLINE, could you comment on my question about last 341 and 348? How they fit differently on heel?

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