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post #91 of 125
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Originally Posted by Violinist
I think fleshing out why Connery is automatically "the best Bond" can be meaningful in determining what people's priorities are in terms of film going. It might sound ludicrous to you, but seeing as the arts and some culture is a major part of my life, these are vital discussions whereas it might be more water cooler type material for you.
Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't know what "some culture" means, but visual arts, music, dance, and to a lesser extent film are all things I devote time and serious thought to. "Who's a better Bond" is not.
post #92 of 125
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Originally Posted by Violinist
I'm quite aware, but anyone who ignores popular forms of culture is quite ignorant. Also, James Bond is usually the topic of a bit more conversation than other films in this genre, obviously because it has hit a cultural nerve. That's why I like to get to the bottom of this whole Connery obsession. Get to the bottom of that, and you begin to understand what makes the average movie going mind tick, and it can make you understand your own biases and notions.

I used to think in narrow terms such as yourself, then I took a course in university about pop music. It's amazing how much scholarly work has been done in analyzing why certain things got big.
Oooh, a university course! Damn, I wish I had one of those to fall back on!
post #93 of 125
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Originally Posted by Violinist
I think fleshing out why Connery is automatically "the best Bond" can be meaningful in determining what people's priorities are in terms of film going. It might sound ludicrous to you, but seeing as the arts and some culture is a major part of my life, these are vital discussions whereas it might be more water cooler type material for you.
Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't know what "some culture" means, but visual arts, music, literature, dance, and to a lesser extent film are all things I devote time and serious thought to. "Who's a better Bond" is not.
post #94 of 125
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The average movie going mind? Now who's thinking in narrow terms?!

i may be wrong, of course, but i don't think violinist was trying to differentiate between himself and the 'average' mind. average meaning people in general, like me...

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Originally Posted by lawyerdad
Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't know what "some culture" means, but visual arts, music, literature, dance, and to a lesser extent film are all things I devote time and serious thought to. "Who's a better Bond" is not.

yeah, it's silly. But so is psychoanalyzing a bunch of old chaplin films and screwball comedies...
post #95 of 125
The 2nd Thomas Crown Affair takes as much heat as accolades, but I love that movie.

Monica Bellucci for not being more mainstream and popular. She's at Anglie Jolie level and higher in Sex Appeal and she can act. She also dresses extremely classy, and has a body all men dream about, well, except gays of course
post #96 of 125
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad
Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't know what "some culture" means, but visual arts, music, literature, dance, and to a lesser extent film are all things I devote time and serious thought to. "Who's a better Bond" is not.

I'd love to hear your musings on music. If your gems in this discussion are any indication, you must be quite the Kenny G and Boccelli fan.

I'm astounded that someone who apparently made it through law school cannot get the fact that I could be interested in finding out why something liek the Bond series has been such a phenomenon, and that people actually devote discussion to it. The same situation doesn't exist for things like Die Hard, but I suppose the sociology of film isn't interesting to people like you.
post #97 of 125
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Originally Posted by Soph
The 2nd Thomas Crown Affair takes as much heat as accolades, but I love that movie.

on that note, while I am a huge 60s era Michael Caine fan, I actually prefer the remake of Alfie with Jude Law. at the risk of sounding like a GQforumite, I loved his wardrobe and the way his character put clothes together, along with the bit-too-small tight fits. And he rode on a 60s vespa.....it's like the Alfie character was a mod without the film ever referencing such a fact. It's the role that Jude Law was born to play. So much so that when people mention JLaw as a "sartorial influence", many times it's a reference to his Alfie character, not actual Jude Law, the real person.
post #98 of 125
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Originally Posted by Soph
The 2nd Thomas Crown Affair takes as much heat as accolades, but I love that movie.

Monica Bellucci for not being more mainstream and popular. She's at Anglie Jolie level and higher in Sex Appeal and she can act. She also dresses extremely classy, and has a body all men dream about, well, except gays of course

+1
post #99 of 125
Freud attempted to pyschoanalyze Woodrow Wilson but failed rather badly.

The analysis of the popular culture can be traced back to the Warhol set, and the French Theory that was then pre-dominant.
post #100 of 125
Brendan Fraser.

That's right, Brendan Fraser.
post #101 of 125
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Originally Posted by Nick M
Brendan Fraser.

That's right, Brendan Fraser.
Ooh, good call.
post #102 of 125
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Originally Posted by Nick M
Brendan Fraser.

That's right, Brendan Fraser.


ugh. I intentionally avoid movies with him in it. I'd like to hear your rationale on him...
post #103 of 125
[quote=Lamo]i may be wrong, of course, but i don't think violinist was trying to differentiate between himself and the 'average' mind. average meaning people in general, like me...[quote]

Given the dreck that Hollywood puts out for the "average movie going mind", I'd avoid putting too much thought in to anlayzing it...
post #104 of 125
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Originally Posted by Nick M
Brendan Fraser.

That's right, Brendan Fraser.

He was great in The Quiet American. He was supposedly great in Gods and Monsters (though I never saw it). I even liked him in School Ties, With Honors, and The Mummy. He seems to take a lot of comedic roles which don't necessarily showcase his talents. He also seems to be having a lot of fun doing what he's doing, so perhaps he's on to something.
post #105 of 125
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Originally Posted by Violinist
I'd love to hear your musings on music. If your gems in this discussion are any indication, you must be quite the Kenny G and Boccelli fan.

I'm astounded that someone who apparently made it through law school cannot get the fact that I could be interested in finding out why something liek the Bond series has been such a phenomenon, and that people actually devote discussion to it. The same situation doesn't exist for things like Die Hard, but I suppose the sociology of film isn't interesting to people like you.
I must have slept through the course in self-important pop culture aficianados, as I did so many others.
I get that you're interested in Bond. I never suggested otherwise. I'm not. You're right - the "sociology of film" isn't interesting to me. If it's interesting to you, bully for you. That brings us back to the point I originally raised - people can legitimately have different tastes and interests without one of them having to be a "victim of sheep mentality" or whatever other self-stroking constructions you put on it. The rest of your random, manic little tantrums are directed at arguments I never raised. And dude, Kenny G rocks - sociologically speaking, he's what made American Hardcore work as a film. It's just a shame that MacKaye doesn't give him enough credit for his critical role in Fugazi's development.
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