I don't know anything about Noble, but just wanted to chip in a post about WW Chan. Â I've never been to their HK store, and have purchased 4 suits (well, 2 are on the way) and a couple of shirts from them. Â All measurements taken during US trips. Â If you do a first order with Chan during a US trip, they ask you to wear your best-fitting suit to the appointment. Â What they'll do then is try to duplicate the measurements of that suit as a basis for their pattern. Â After taking those measurements they will adjust whatever you want adjusted (again, based on the suit you take to them), and they will also suggest other adjustments. Â Then they go back to HK, and a couple of months later your new suit arrives in the US. The problem with this system is that the first suit becomes more of an experiment than it would be with multiple fittings (isn't that the same problem you'd have with lots of MTM suits bought in the US?). Â The first suit I got from them was very well-made and fit fine. Â But the gorge was a bit too low making it a bit off balance. Â The next time they came to the US, we discussed some tweaks to the style, and they went back to HK with those instructions on how to modify their pattern. Â My second suit, based on those instructions, was perfect. Â So I'd suggest that for a first order done on their US trips, you order only one suit, in whatever their least expensive fabric is. Â That ought to work out to something like a $750 suit. I much prefer dealing with WW Chan to purchasing RTW and having it altered. Â I have difficulty finding RTW suits that I like with the 8-inch drop I require, and I am often disappointed by the quality of alterations work I get from inexpensive tailors (and expensive tailors can drive the price of RTW into CHan territory anyhow). Â This way, I have a pretty much guaranteed fit at a fairly good price. Â I do not think a Chan suit is the equal of an Oxxford, but it is a very good value. Â You can dictate every detail of the suit (hacking pockets? ticket pocket? side vent? center vent? no belt loops?) and get it for less than you'd spend on an MTM suit from most US stores.