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post #31 of 60
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Originally Posted by Baron
What do the RTW shoes run? I'm surprised they're substantially less that EG.
The MTO shoes being offered at the trunk show were quoted, less UK tax, at 435GBP. Natural wood shoe trees, last and size specific, would be an additional 68GBP. I'm not sure if there is variation on cost between shoe types. I'm also not sure what the premium is for MTO versus RTW. Arg Edit: grammar
post #32 of 60
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Originally Posted by Tomasso
Did they elaborate about this feeling of discomfort over their renown?
Honestly, I think they are going to be a bit overwhelmed by the level of interest. I'm sure they won't be turning away customers on this trip. And going from making no shoes to 150 pairs of shoes is a big step...
post #33 of 60
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Ouch. Beatin' up on old EG.

Troublemaker.
post #34 of 60
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Originally Posted by zjpj83
And going from making no shoes to 150 pairs of shoes is a big step...

But they aren't going from no shoes to 150 pairs of shoes. Tony and Dean purchased EG's bespoke business, which means that the client list and the lasts go to them.
post #35 of 60
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Originally Posted by aportnoy
LA Ron, Andre and Scott...congrats on your new addiitons, they all sound exquisite!

I keep telling myself to stay away but this is making it extremely difficult. Have the fellas been to NYC yet?

Andrew, they'll be showing their shoes at the Waldorf from Wednesday to Friday and at Jon Green's suite on Saturday.
post #36 of 60
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Originally Posted by Baron
What do the RTW shoes run? I'm surprised they're substantially less that EG.
Here are the prices I was quoted at the show: RTW base price: 375-425 GBP (the higher number is for models with more handwork, such as the Hove) MTO surcharge: 50 GBP Shoe trees (natural wood, size- and last-specific): 60 GBP Bespoke: 1,400 GBP Mahogany trees: 170 GBP (for two-piece trees; three-piece are more) (By comparison, I have heard that EG Top Drawer will be in the 800-900 GBP range.)
post #37 of 60
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Originally Posted by rbnchn
Here are the prices I was quoted at the show:

RTW base price: 375-425 GBP (the higher number is for models with more handwork, such as the Hove)
MTO surcharge: 50 GBP
Shoe trees (natural wood, size- and last-specific): 60 GBP

Bespoke: 1,400 GBP
Mahogany trees: 170 GBP (for two-piece trees; three-piece are more)

(By comparison, I have heard that EG Top Drawer will be in the 800-900 GBP range.)

Thanks for the info. The prices you mentioned, are they after or before VAT added?
post #38 of 60
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tomasso
Did they elaborate about this feeling of discomfort over their renown?

Yes; they suggested (without really lamenting or putting too fine a point on it) that its already enough pressure to launch a new business and have it take root. But, added to this pressure, is the further knowledge that several communities of shoe connoseiurs are watching their every move (not just this forum, but in Europe and Japan also), such that any mistake could be immediately broadcast worldwide. Just in this thread, for example, several members have inquired about their capacity to handle the demand. Should they not, or should any other mishap occur, the instantaneous nature of the communities could be devasting before they'd have a chance to cure.

In other words, they're just a little apprehensive about being so closely watched by so many discriminating eyes. Truth be told, that is some pertty heavy pressure.


Ouch. Beatin' up on old EG.

Not really; consider: he's an artisan of the Internet generation who has something to express in his craft, yet was trying to do so from within the confines of a house with a long history that is no longer hungry, nor feels the need to hustle the business or dig for creative new statements. It was a perfect, if not inevitable, parting.
post #39 of 60
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Originally Posted by LARon
Told them I wanted them just as they appear in the samples, except for two small details: 1) I want three eyelets on the v-front derby instead of the two in the model, and 2) I chose a rich cognac color instead of burgundy for the medallion pair. Incidentally, both of these pair are available in MTO, however, the MTOs (which they had on display) just aren't the same, IMHO.

For example, the level of toe chiseling and waist beveling that, to my mind, define the "Hayes" model (the burgundy pair) simply doesn't exist in MTO; which makes sense considering that they're being offered for a generic foot. Similarly, the detailing of the V in the Wiltshire (the v-front derby) is not nearly as pronounced as in the model. Also, the entire front of the model, including the V, is made from a single piece of leather, so no stitching is needed to join to overlapping pieces of leather. This, along with the finer detailing of the V, to my mind, makes for a much more aesthetically pleasing line.

Here is my third choice (while they do offer some generic/traditional full brogues, none tickled my fancy nearly as much as these):

that is my opinon too! i love all 3 of you choices i am contemplating getting something like the the bespoke croc on there we site but in shark skin to show the difference! i also like the brogue on centipede site but made more like the inverness and just 2 peices of leather but i will have to wait till next time i get to go back to england!
post #40 of 60
Ron,

You said you were not impressed with the MTO shoes on display...any further insights on this? Is the quality at least up to EG standards?
post #41 of 60
Thread Starter 
That croc model you mention, luk-cha, is one of the finest pair of exotics I've ever seen. If I were an exotic type of guy that'd definitely be my choice, no question.
post #42 of 60
Speaking of exotics...

Does anyone know if G&G are working with Russian reindeer in their current bespoke offerings?
post #43 of 60
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Originally Posted by aportnoy
Speaking of exotics...

Does anyone know if G&G are working with Russian reindeer in their current bespoke offerings?
If you are interested, I have inquired with Cleverley as I was very interested in pursuing this. Reindeer hide is £2200 (I believe that's with VAT, as they quoted £1800 for calf, which is higher than I have heard).
post #44 of 60
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan
Ron,

You said you were not impressed with the MTO shoes on display...any further insights on this? Is the quality at least up to EG standards?

I think you mistook my meaning. My comment was that, since I couldn't afford to get three pair of bespokes at one time, I was hoping to find something close to the full brogue from Tony's bespoke portfolio -- my third choice -- in an MTO model. (In other words, I was prepared to leave with three pair of shoes, two bespoke and one MTO.) Unfortunately, the MTO full brogue isn't as aesthetically pleasing, to my eye, as the bespoke model for which it would have served as a substitute.

So, rather than compromising on what I want, I elected to order my first two choices and wait to get the exact shoe I want, the bespoke full brogue, on their next go-round.
post #45 of 60
They aren't at 150 pairs of MTO orders yet, but they're at a significant fraction of that. They don't seem to be very worried about the numbers they're getting and seemed to be pretty pleased with it. If anything, they seem to be hoping for more.

--Andre
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