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post #121 of 2138
Quilted pants look interesting, otherwise meh.
post #122 of 2138
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Originally Posted by sipang View Post

Not really. Granted I tend to idealize Ervell earlier collections a bit but this stuff is just dull recycling of boring pieces without any coherence, oh cool more horse hair braided shit !

his collections have always been recycling.

this one looks slightly...older (as in less boyish). I get the feeling that that's because a) the models are a bit bulkier than normal, b) a lot of them could stand to size up 1.

e.g. look 8 could be from any of his past seasons. contrast with look 10 etc. I also think the pieces are styled a bit un-creatively; windbreaker under blazer was genius, everything is styled too classic here.
post #123 of 2138
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

his collections have always been recycling.
this one looks slightly...older (as in less boyish). I get the feeling that that's because a) the models are a bit bulkier than normal, b) a lot of them could stand to size up 1.
e.g. look 8 could be from any of his past seasons. contrast with look 10 etc. I also think the pieces are styled a bit un-creatively; windbreaker under blazer was genius, everything is styled too classic here.

I like Ervell pieces because of the fit and cut, not the creativity. I agree with tz0d that his pieces are staples and should remain through further refinement, not to just follow fashion trend like pretty much all other designers
post #124 of 2138
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Originally Posted by JChance View Post

I like Ervell pieces because of the fit and cut, not the creativity. I agree with tz0d that his pieces are staples and should remain through further refinement, not to just follow fashion trend like pretty much all other designers

i'm not talking about the design, i'm talking about the way the pieces were put together for the runway show. Just kinda unimaginative.
post #125 of 2138
This is beautiful

/526
post #126 of 2138
some great fabrics by the looks of things
post #127 of 2138
Ervell back up on Gilt
post #128 of 2138
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Ervell back up on Gilt

Under what category I don't see it?
post #129 of 2138
its nothing new. its all the leftover stuff that didnt sell mostly large sizes

emerging designers
post #130 of 2138
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Originally Posted by tz0d View Post

It's a good thing that he moves slowly and recycles. I want that. It's menswear, and I'd rather see more of the same moving slowly and deliberately than something that feels forced. Great menswear lines are known for staples and product personality. They use these as trademarks which appeal to a customer base that, when satisfied, likes to stick to what they know and like. It was already said on here before that incorporating a women's line might be a bad thing, mostly because it sacrifices timeless elegance for escapist cosplay. Menswear is completely different. More refined, elegant, genuine, honest, conservative, discerning: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Menswear is all about these little details and slight changes in proportion, but for women’s wear you have to turn up the volume. And that somehow makes it less interesting: a change of a centimeter in menswear can be very powerful; in women’s wear it’s usually meaningless.
Tarmy: So your menswear line’s aesthetic doesn’t change dramatically from season to season?
Ervell: No, there’s never a seasonal jump. Men don’t dress that way. No one actually says, “This season, India is my inspiration,” or whatever. That’s nonsense. It’s much more interesting to develop a specific language for a brand.

And,

Tarmy: Why bother with the cost and hassle of a fashion show, then?
Ervell: I’m not sure it makes sense to have a fashion show anymore. I know that 99% of the people who see the clothes from my show aren’t seeing them in person but on a computer. So is there a more clever format to present my clothing every season?
Of course there is. But it’s tricky, because I’m part of an industry with a specific way of doing things.
The pressure to constantly reinvent yourself and be "interesting" just leads to forced work with too many bells and whistles to compensate for inspiration. I prefer refinement.



Yes, I'm well aware that Ervell is all about recycling pieces seasons after seasons, incremental and subtle changes, iconic pieces etc, that's something I very much appreciate and enjoy (well not so much these days). When I'm complaining about the recent collections I'm not so much lamenting the lack of groundbreaking outfits as the progressive dilution of what made the label "ervellian" so to speak. Ervell is not a menswear store, he's a designer with a fashion show so I expect more of his collections than a procession of wearable menswear staples. It's been argued in the past that he should just forego runway shows altogether and I'm more and more inclined to agree. It wasn't always the case, if you look at old seasons you'll find a visual coherence and consistency that is sorely lacking in the 2011/12 hodepodges. Talking about a narrative here would be presumptuous but there was definitely a "vibe" for lack of a better world, a gentle collision of amish-like minimalism with technical fabrics and ever so slightly futuristic outerwear on a 90s shoegaze soundtrack gave the whole thing a youthful somewhat etheral and atemporal presence.


It's not all about pocket sweaters and leather backpacks, it's also about air jackets and sottsass prints and transparent pvc coats and mylar jackets and reversible outerwear and parachute trench and rust shirts...

So when someone says that Ervell is about the cut and the fit and not the creativity, I say "exactly."


And please, please, stop the bullshit about timeless elegance vs. escapist cosplay, Ervell is fashion period. And as long as he puts out shows and collections he'll be held to a higher standard than Gant Rugger. After all, i'm not the one who said "I want to make something more than clothes, I want to send a bigger aesthetic message.”


So in the end I'm actually not advocating for a new Ervell but for the old one, I'm a reactionary. Who's talking about reinvention now ?
post #131 of 2138
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Yes, I read the interview thank you. It doesn't invalidate anything I said, I'm not sure what you're getting at with the bolded parts of my post so feel free to enlighten me.
post #132 of 2138
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No hostility here, the meaning of your previous post was a bit obscure but I just saw you edited it and it makes more sense now.
Edited by sipang - 2/13/12 at 12:13pm
post #133 of 2138
Geez, finally he produces a navy suit! I've needed one for ages, will buy when it goes down in price a bit
post #134 of 2138
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Originally Posted by tz0d View Post

I don't think our opinions on this differ, so I don't believe there was any reason to reiterate your position.

Forgive me for being dense but are you actually agreeing with me disagreeing with you ?

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The minute I see Jared Leto with a horsehair belt and university cap, I'm going to rethink my aesthetic.

So what you're saying is that you're a fashion victim ?
post #135 of 2138
SS12 Ervell is up on the official site for purchase now. Some things were snatched up quickly already (...silk quilted bomber...)
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