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post #46 of 91
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Originally Posted by Imhoff View Post
One person is doing it right, one is doing it wring, I will let you be the judge.


Interestingly, everytime the issue of suit sans tie comes up, there is a photo of Mr. Pitt. While in the above photo the suit does maybe look a bit awkward and you might feel inclined to ask for "more cuff", there is a photo which I have seen several times in this forum, from Cannes a few years ago, with A.J. A kind of light or medium grey suit, I think it was Tom Ford. It looked great. So it is clearly possible to look great with suit sans tie.
Personally, I normally refrain from trying it. Always feel that the look is too much like if I have chosen to take my tie off when leaving my desk.
However, I often go sans tie with a sport coat.
post #47 of 91
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post
I'll add my personal rules for this:

-Two button suit, not three or DB
-Flat-front trousers only
-Echoing the high, stiff collar (can sub button-down collar with hidden buttons/snaps)
-Lower rise trousers, sitting above the hip but below the natural waist
-If you typically wear braces, don't
-No undershirt showing, this means v-neck/beater only, and if the shirt is white, none at all
-Build the outfit from the ground up, don't start with a favorite and just remove the tie

This is good advice.
post #48 of 91
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post
No, you're just mistaking the "something missing" from his speech to be something missing from his outfit.

But, like you said, his intentions are obvious, a tie is a bourgeois accessory not needed by a man of the people who wants to give away other people's money in order to win a second term (hey, I never promised to keep politics out of it ).

Not particularly. I think that the tie-less look does not work well on him owing to his lanky stature.

He would look just as bad if he were to wear a skinny tie or a knit one. While I'm all for natural shoulders, I think he could use more padding and a tie that makes a decent sized knot. Otherwise, it just looks odd on him.
post #49 of 91
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Originally Posted by Metlin View Post
Not particularly. I think that the tie-less look does not work well on him owing to his lanky stature.

He would look just as bad if he were to wear a skinny tie or a knit one. While I'm all for natural shoulders, I think he could use more padding and a tie that makes a decent sized knot. Otherwise, it just looks odd on him.

If we're talking purely sartorialistically here, then I think the biggest problem is that he wears his clothes too baggy. He just needs trimmer suits, whether or not they have natural or padded shoulders. Smaller shirt collars would probably also be best.
post #50 of 91
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post
If we're talking purely sartorialistically here, then I think the biggest problem is that he wears his clothes too baggy. He just needs trimmer suits, whether or not they have natural or padded shoulders. Smaller shirt collars would probably also be best.

He does at that. I think spread collars would also work better on him.

On that note, say what you will about GW, he was a well-dressed President. His outfits looked great (and I loved how he pulled off the blue tie look seamlessly).

Obama, on the other hand, frequently wears either a tie and no jacket or a jacket with no tie. Quite unfortunate, really, because he has clearly shown that he has enough presence to pull off great outfits.
post #51 of 91
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Originally Posted by Mac View Post
Google Tom Ford. He does it amazingly well.

As long as the collar stands up on its own without flopping"”I've found stiff and point collars work best, rather than spread.

I often do crisp white shirt with two/three buttons undone, dark suit and a pocket square.



Tom Ford is the epitome of douchebagging. If only I could punch this guy in the face.
post #52 of 91
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Originally Posted by chinoguy View Post
Tom Ford is the epitome of douchebagging. If only I could punch this guy in the face.

The irony is that he sells a nice tie.
post #53 of 91
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Originally Posted by Metlin View Post
He does at that. I think spread collars would also work better on him.

On that note, say what you will about GW, he was a well-dressed President. His outfits looked great (and I loved how he pulled off the blue tie look seamlessly).

Obama, on the other hand, frequently wears either a tie and no jacket or a jacket with no tie. Quite unfortunate, really, because he has clearly shown that he has enough presence to pull off great outfits.

True, though I do think his dad dressed somewhat better and had a far more "presidential" presence.
post #54 of 91
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post
True, though I do think his dad dressed somewhat better and had a far more "presidential" presence.
I remember someone mentioning in the Best dressed US president thread that both Reagan and GW were dressed by Bijan, which is rather depressing when I think about it. Although, I do remember reading that GW wore Oxxford and Brioni, as well. Bush Sr. had more of true trad style -- GW bastardized it with his Texas additions (e.g. cowboy boots and belts). Reagan was great, minus the obsession with brown suits.
post #55 of 91
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post
Politics aside, Obama does it pretty well.
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Originally Posted by dieselman89 View Post
Yea........ NO! He is awful. He needs a tie. First off he is the President, he should wear a tie and take time to look good. Not like some schlump which is what he looks like in this picture.
This was probably taken before he was president. When he first started campaigning he didn't wear the flag pin on his jacket and the public gave him shit, I can't see it here.
post #56 of 91
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Originally Posted by epa View Post
Interestingly, everytime the issue of suit sans tie comes up, there is a photo of Mr. Pitt. While in the above photo the suit does maybe look a bit awkward and you might feel inclined to ask for "more cuff", there is a photo which I have seen several times in this forum, from Cannes a few years ago, with A.J. A kind of light or medium grey suit, I think it was Tom Ford. It looked great. So it is clearly possible to look great with suit sans tie.
Personally, I normally refrain from trying it. Always feel that the look is too much like if I have chosen to take my tie off when leaving my desk.
However, I often go sans tie with a sport coat.

If you look closely, you'll note that Mr. Clooney is not wearing a suit. Nevertheless, the coat he's wearing is awful.
post #57 of 91
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Originally Posted by Orsini View Post
Just to comment on the photo, rather than the text of the post, remember that in To Catch a Theft, in this scene, Mr. Grant's character is at a beach resort during the day in the mid 1950's about to call on a lady fair (day resort romantic social). You can also see he is also wearing an ascot or neckercheif and, thus, his neck is not exposed. And note that the waistband is not exposed and that there is plenty of material in those slacks.

So, Mr. Grant's character is not breaking any sartorial rules of the day, but demonstrating their proper application by a gentleman of his age and class to project the desired image for this particular venue.

Mr. Grant was quite well turned out in this film (as usual.) and sports several looks that the boulevardier could copy today with confidence.

This looked good in 1955, it looks good now, and it will look good for as long as Orsini is ambulatory.

This is why, for Orsini, it is not necessary to break new ground, but only to look to the past and try to emulate the masters. And to loose some weight, of course...

Look at that poor bastard in the background looking at Cary thinking, "damn, I wish I was that guy!"
post #58 of 91
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Originally Posted by Merlino View Post
You have to bear in mind Pitt's playing a character in a movie. The character he's playing typically wouldn't have the first clue about sartorial elegance, so it wouldn't make sense for the costume designers to dress him in Savile Row head-to-toe. In addition, he's supposed to look Vegas suave

+1, I watched some of the behind the scenes wardrobe stuff and they were saying how Rusty always had his shirt undone, cuffs undone, everything a little slouchy but expensive. And he's supposed to always be eating something even when it's the wrong time/place to be doing so.


to add my $0.02, I think the look is fine. Adding in a cardigan or sweater is another direction you can take this look.
post #59 of 91
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Originally Posted by Felix Krull View Post
If you look closely, you'll note that Mr. Clooney is not wearing a suit. Nevertheless, the coat he's wearing is awful.

Right, but my point was: the fact that Mr. Pitt always seems to be referred to as an example of how you can pull off suit sans tie, wouldn't it make you think that it may actually be difficult to pull off that look?

Most people tend to look like they have taken off their tie when leaving the job, which makes you think that they may feel uncomfortable wearing a tie. And that is not what I would call pulling off the suit sans tie look.
post #60 of 91
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Originally Posted by chinoguy View Post
Tom Ford is the epitome of douchebagging. If only I could punch this guy in the face.

Peaked lapels w no tie and chest hair showing? Why not drink Dom Perignon out of a styrofoam cup?
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