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post #15481 of 19330
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

The next set of GMTOs, if there is a next set, will not be as wide open as previous GMTOs.  I'll not allow wide open suggestions.  Instead, I'll convocate a private "conference of the wise", of customers who have had extensive experience with Viberg, and who are understand both that necessity to work with Viberg proactively, to produce a much smaller number of boots that have been OK'ed by Brett.  After that, we'll do the votes, etc...

I think that Brett is tired of some of the bickering that goes on here, and the insistence on stuff that just isn't going to happen (5 eyelets, 10 eyelets, everything in stitchdown, etc..) and frankly, that makes my job really difficult as well.  So the initial wild west round that we have had, is just not going to happen again.  

I AM still dedicated to the collaborative process, however, and so, if the next GMTO happens, I may allow you guys to elect representatives, etc... who would represent your interests.  Essentially, we'd go from a direct democracy to a representative one.

I haven't had the pleasure of participating in past GMTOs, but it seems part of the enjoyment comes from sharing ideas openly.
Maybe this new format will make it easier for those involved.
post #15482 of 19330

As others have said, as long as the rules are put out there from the jump (leathers available, eyelets, sd vs gyw, etc), why wouldn't this continue to be a community thing? That defeats the purpose of an open forum… 

 

Brett can cry everyone a river about the "bickering." We support the hell out of his business. 

post #15483 of 19330

What I really like about Viberg is some of the experimentation that goes on, and we see some of the prototypes on their blog. For example, the Inside Out Service Boot, zipped-sides, Boa closures, and the unstructured deerskin Ropers.

 

I also think that the GMTOs are most successful when they go a little off-piste compared to what most retailers offer. The Sleek Hunter and Hopper spring to mind, as does the Echo if it ever escapes from being frozen in Carbonite. :smarmy:

 

An edited collection of designs that are thrashed out in private might mean more risks being taken, and that will be a good thing.

 

What I do hope is that some sort of suggestions box is open so that we can give Fok our crazed ideas.

post #15484 of 19330

How about we start a supportive thread specifically for people who are unhappy with Viberg in some way or another, but can't move on to other footwear? 

 

"I love Viberg, but Viberg won't love me back in the way I want to be loved."

 

"Viberg has some hold over me so that even though I feel they are abusing my love, I can't leave them."

 

"If Viberg won't make a boot for me in just this certain way, then I might hurt myself."

 

"I bought boots from Viberg, so they owe it to me to make more boots for me that I like."

 

For the record, I love my Vibergs and am planning to get more, but they are just a footwear company.  Footwear can only do so much, no matter how much we like it.

 

post #15485 of 19330
Unhappy about bickering? Give me a break. How about I post a screen shot of my order history from Viberg.com. It's sickening. I think I earned my bickering rights on a third party forum. It's not like I'm doing it on Viberg's Facebook page.

I love Viberg and appreciate what I understand to be the work that Brett Viberg does (as much as I can tell through here and social media), but this either is or is not an open, public forum. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Don't read the posts, or just censor us all. Jeez.
post #15486 of 19330
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Originally Posted by Chop Chop View Post
 

As others have said, as long as the rules are put out there from the jump (leathers available, eyelets, sd vs gyw, etc), why wouldn't this continue to be a community thing? That defeats the purpose of an open forum… 

 

Brett can cry everyone a river about the "bickering." We support the hell out of his business.


Edited by metranger8694 - 2/6/16 at 9:53pm
post #15487 of 19330
From a guy who has participated in the last 3 GMTO's and had his designs made 3 out of 3 times (Blue Collar Shitkicker, Garage Boot and Route 10 Chukka), I can tell you that I think the bickering, the back and forth, the pushing of the limits, the elements that get shot down and the little victories are ALL part of the creative process! I think passion is being mistaken for "bickering" here. If we all weren't so passionate about Viberg, do you think we would really care all that much about things like 5 eyelets or 6 or stitch down construction? Or that we would be arguing over things that are or aren't possible or should or shouldn't be possible?! I honestly think Brett should be flattered. Do you think such passion is evident on the Red Wing sites? Please show me where else footwear evokes such emotion, I want to know!

Fok, how you choose to run any future GMTO's is your perogative. But to me, what's being complained about is precisely what makes it so great. All we need are ALL of the parameters on the outset (something that we have never been given - let's be honest) and I'm pretty certain things would go more smoothly.

Listen, I've lost count of how many pairs of Viberg boots I own - that's a lot of boots, trust me...more than I will ever be able to wear out. And I know I'm far from alone in this regard here. And when I'm campaigning to get my designs made, when I'm arguing and debating and "bickering" if you will, that's the fun part and I'm there with my A-game, prepared to do battle just like the other guys here. So maybe this passion needs to be embraced and not criticized.

With that said, I'm not sure I'd be all that interested in some sort of "representative democracy" and will probably opt out of future GMTO's if that's the case. Which is fine if that's how it has to be - I've certainly had my turns at bat and the result are 2 of my favorite boots (and probably 3) that I will ever own. But in my opinion, these "issues" are high class problems that Brett should embrace because it means that people are so crazy about his brand, they actually get fired up over eyelets!
post #15488 of 19330

Some of the posts above can be read as personal attacks on Brett. It's no wonder that he's having second thoughts about the GMTO programme.

post #15489 of 19330
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Originally Posted by Raneleigh View Post

From a guy who has participated in the last 3 GMTO's and had his designs made 3 out of 3 times (Blue Collar Shitkicker, Garage Boot and Route 10 Chukka), I can tell you that I think the bickering, the back and forth, the pushing of the limits, the elements that get shot down and the little victories are ALL part of the creative process! I think passion is being mistaken for "bickering" here. If we all weren't so passionate about Viberg, do you think we would really care all that much about things like 5 eyelets or 6 or stitch down construction? Or that we would be arguing over things that are or aren't possible or should or shouldn't be possible?! I honestly think Brett should be flattered. Do you think such passion is evident on the Red Wing sites? Please show me where else footwear evokes such emotion, I want to know!

Fok, how you choose to run any future GMTO's is your perogative. But to me, what's being complained about is precisely what makes it so great. All we need are ALL of the parameters on the outset (something that we have never been given - let's be honest) and I'm pretty certain things would go more smoothly.

Listen, I've lost count of how many pairs of Viberg boots I own - that's a lot of boots, trust me...more than I will ever be able to wear out. And I know I'm far from alone in this regard here. And when I'm campaigning to get my designs made, when I'm arguing and debating and "bickering" if you will, that's the fun part and I'm there with my A-game, prepared to do battle just like the other guys here. So maybe this passion needs to be embraced and not criticized.

With that said, I'm not sure I'd be all that interested in some sort of "representative democracy" and will probably opt out of future GMTO's if that's the case. Which is fine if that's how it has to be - I've certainly had my turns at bat and the result are 2 of my favorite boots (and probably 3) that I will ever own. But in my opinion, these "issues" are high class problems that Brett should embrace because it means that people are so crazy about his brand, they actually get fired up over eyelets!

Nicely put.
post #15490 of 19330
Having gotten two proposals to vote stage, with one being made (and perhaps my favorite pair of Bergs), I can say I've enjoyed the GMTO process, despite the madness, delays, what-not. I think Viberg is doing us a solid with this unique process. That being said, I opted out of the last one towards the end bc of the chaos. I won't judge the new method until it has been tried, but additional organization is not a bad idea at all.

Furthermore, I own more Vibergs than I care to admit, and I realize that at this point I am going to be harder and harder to please (from the consumer perspective) as there are fewer and fewer configurations of shoes or boots that I would purchase. Recognizing this makes me pay less attention overall to what's being offered at retailers (in general). In theory, this makes the GMTO even more valuable to consumers like me (or like most of us, who are all in the same boat), which is why I think it's a good thing for Viberg to keep offering, and for us to keep participating in.

Cheers.
post #15491 of 19330
This thread has gone full Toj x Alden, no wonder vendors keep opting out if dealing with people on here.

Also SF is a tiny client compared with most other vendors.
post #15492 of 19330
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

This thread has gone full Toj x Alden, no wonder vendors keep opting out if dealing with people on here.

Also SF is a tiny client compared with most other vendors.

Well the one good thing is that they don't deal with us Fok does...so Viberg really just field questions and answers to Fok.

Agree we are a small community...all I can say is that I have only seen 1 pair of Vibergs in the wild, at a football game and that person was a member here.

And if anyone thinks this is bad they should hang around a wine thread when bordeaux future prices are released...lol

And I agree with the poster if they did deal with us directly they would be crazy.
post #15493 of 19330
Inverallan ran away after 2 months of nitpicking from Toj idiots and shut down their mtm program all together after that.
post #15494 of 19330
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

This thread has gone full Toj x Alden, no wonder vendors keep opting out if dealing with people on here.

Also SF is a tiny client compared with most other vendors.

 

This is nothing like that.  And it has nothing to do with people on here, it has to do with people in general.  There is a reason that the traditional model of vendor and retailer exists.

 

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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Inverallan ran away after 2 months of nitpicking from Toj idiots and shut down their mtm program all together after that.

This is an appreciation thread not an affiliated thread.  It was inevitable the MTO program was going to disappear, the company had an individual MTO program up until Late 2013, they did not get rid of it because of complaints.  It is much harder to operate in that manner with so many individual requests.

post #15495 of 19330
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

This thread has gone full Toj x Alden, no wonder vendors keep opting out if dealing with people on here.

Also SF is a tiny client compared with most other vendors.


I respectfully disagree.  It's all in how it's managed here way before Viberg is even involved.  If we were given a set of strict parameters to work within (i.e. - types of leather available, types of soles, minimum number of eyelets, etc.), then 98 percent of the issues that occurred last time would evaporate.  I was as confused as the next guy as to what we could and couldn't do and I know this stuff!  There was some turmoil over cat's paw heels and soles for example, because no one knew precisely what was and wasn't possible.  Turns out the heels were available but the soles weren't.  Who knew??  I can tell you that there was some misunderstanding and upset before this came to light though.  Look at the White's model...I've clicked on many a box and created some great MTO's without drama based on what was and wasn't offered.

 

What I loved about the last GMTO was that Fok listed some or all of the new leathers.  That was great because it gave us something to work with!  The end result was that ALL of the final builds used one of the leathers he listed despite the fact that there were certainly many other options not listed.  Obviously he probably couldn't list every leather Viberg has in stock (or maybe he could, I don't know), but the point is...if you know what you have to work with, then you can build on that and most of the debate over it becomes a non-issue.  7 eyelets minimum folks...that's what you have to work with...end of debate!

 

As far as personal attacks on Brett...I don't think most of us even know him, but I'm guessing he has a thicker skin than to get upset over some random comments.  I certainly can't imagine he would condemn the entire group here over a few errant opinions.  I don't care how great the company, you will ALWAYS have criticisms of various sorts to bear.  It's unreasonable to expect that only nice things will ever be said about you or your brand.  You are right...SF is a tiny client.  But it's a core group of extreme enthusiasts who at the grassroots level can offer valuable feedback for the brand.  I work in a business where you have to pay a high price tag for the kind of feedback they get for free here.  You garner what you want from it and discard the rest, what's so difficult about that?

 

I don't know guys, I just feel like we can manage this to everyone's advantage.  Comments like, "this thread has gone full Toj x Alden" is just negative and promotes more negativity.  How about...this thread is great because SF is the one place we can all share our passion for the brand!  That means there will be opinions voiced, so be prepared for passionate opinions that may be in support of a Viberg decision and some that may not be.  But the common denominator is that we all fucking love Viberg and that's why we are here!!!

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