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post #15091 of 19291

If you wear the boots for a week then there'll be sufficient creases on the uppers that you won't be able to pick out the mark. Provided the boots themselves aren't damaged, it shouldn't matter.

 

That said, even if Viberg are selling work boots, they're charging a significant amount of money for them. It's not an unreasonable expectation that they'll arrive unmarked. Either it's a problem with manufacturing and QA, or they aren't packed well enough for shipping.

post #15092 of 19291
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If I had to guess, it looks like an artifact of the boot lasting/construction process that comes out with some leathers. Pull-up leather will crease or mark like that if bent or clamped. Like in this pic from the lasting process:



Wouldn't be a deal-breaker to me personally, since it's right where boots naturally crease when worn, and I haven't seen it on the ten or so pairs I've bought. I'd probably put a light coating of saphir renovateur on them plus a light buffing and call it a day.

FWIW Obenauf's LP can saturate pull-up leathers and most types of uses (outside of heavy work environments) don't need that kind of conditioning. Plus haven't found it helps surface level issues, so I've stopped using it.

This pic is the first logical hypothesis for the indents. I don't think it's as simple as some leathers showing effects of the folding shown though but rather could be the machine actually catching and pinching the leather during it. This would explain the very uniform nature of the dents and placement, as well as why many have it only on one boot. If it was the type of leather to blame you would see it consistently on both feet I would think. The dents on my pair are just that, dents. So I can only speak that a mere folding of the leather could not have caused it. The possibility of that machine being the cause of the marks on my pair is very realistic imo.

Here is another pic of my pair, I think this was the maiden voyage. May 7, 2015.



I never actually got a reply from Viberg when I emailed about it (whole other issue but they seem to be making improvements in this department from what I've seen), my retailer told me brett & guy said it could not have happened during the manufacturing process and speculated the way they were packed in the box as the culprit. Let me be clear that in no way could these dents be made by improper packing of the boots in boxes, scuffs and scratches on boots sure but uniform dents that are still present after 8 months is impossible from a packing issue.

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Originally Posted by Graemsay View Post

If you wear the boots for a week then there'll be sufficient creases on the uppers that you won't be able to pick out the mark. Provided the boots themselves aren't damaged, it shouldn't matter.

That said, even if Viberg are selling work boots, they're charging a significant amount of money for them. It's not an unreasonable expectation that they'll arrive unmarked. Either it's a problem with manufacturing and QA, or they aren't packed well enough for shipping.

I've worn my boots for 8 months and the dents are still present on my Boondockers, I only wear them once a week or less though. I believe my pair, as well as others I've seen with the dents, should be seconds. It does appear to be a very rare issue.

Another pic of similar marks from IG.


Edited by Burzan - 1/11/16 at 3:14am
post #15093 of 19291
Two things I don't expect and one I do

Don't expect: shipping and or manufacturing errors to prematurely mark or damage over $500 shoes

Don't expect : to be chastised for expecting a company that prides itself on quality, service, and craftsmanship to not figure out a pattern of a defect and rectify it

Do expect : some irregularities on cool leather and or other material Viberg uses along with other unique patterns of wear

So let's try to keep this constructive and help Viberg grow to wherever they want to be and continue to make great shoes!

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Thing is every six months a new wave of bros starts buying high end workboots with unrealistic expectations of handmade boots being, in your words, "flawless"...
post #15094 of 19291
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Originally Posted by meso View Post

If I had to guess, it looks like an artifact of the boot lasting/construction process that comes out with some leathers. Pull-up leather will crease or mark like that if bent or clamped. Like in this pic from the lasting process:



Wouldn't be a deal-breaker to me personally, since it's right where boots naturally crease when worn, and I haven't seen it on the ten or so pairs I've bought. I'd probably put a light coating of saphir renovateur on them plus a light buffing and call it a day.

FWIW Obenauf's LP can saturate pull-up leathers and most types of uses (outside of heavy work environments) don't need that kind of conditioning. Plus haven't found it helps surface level issues, so I've stopped using it.

Thanks for the pic, and the info on Obenauf's. The reason I used it is two fold, I'm in the Agriculture industry, so many of my work days are spent walking on the farm or in a very wet processing warehouse. Some of my previous field boots started to break down after the mud/hose down/cleaning process, and Obenauf's seemed to be absorbed better than the RW leather conditioner I was using previously.
The second reason was my thinking that if Viberg didn't ship the Context boots with VSC, then it obviously is not the right tool for any job on these boots.
Time will tell.
I only chimed in to help out another member to know that he wasn't alone in the irregularity, nor crazy to wonder of it's implications.
I like that the conversation is taking a constructive turn.
post #15095 of 19291
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The second reason was my thinking that if Viberg didn't ship the Context boots with VSC, then it obviously is not the right tool for any job on these boots.
Time will tell.

I cant weigh in intelligently on the marginal benefits/detractors of various leather conditioners but it is my understanding that Viberg only ships VSC when purchased direct from the company and 3rd party retailers do not (some may have in the past but I dont think that occurs anymore).  Therefore the lack of VSC in the box may not be indicative of whether it is appropriate for that particular leather.

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Good to know NYDRH.
I've learned at least one thing new today.
And I have not even had my coffee yet!
Edited by ShootThePier - 1/11/16 at 6:47am
post #15097 of 19291
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Did anyone here pick up these derbies from the bureau? The last pair they have is in my size and heavily discounted. Been looking for a nice spring/summer shoe I can wear without socks. Should I jump on them? Just under $400 usd...


So aside from the very sad news about David Bowie I woke up to today, I also got an email from the Bureau Belfast telling me my order for these was canceled. Apparently someone placed an order right before me and the stock did not update properly. 

 

Could it be one of you fuckers here jumped in and screwed me out these because I was stupid enough to post about it first? Go on, fess up. It is too fortuitous that this pair had been sitting there for weeks and suddenly disappeared the moment I tried to order. I only have myself to blame, of course. 

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Trying to choose between the following make ups.....they appear to be the same other than the sole (leather - 1 / danite - 2) and plain toe vs cap toe.....thoughts from the forum?

 

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post #15099 of 19291
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Originally Posted by andrewp75 View Post

Two things I don't expect and one I do

Don't expect: shipping and or manufacturing errors to prematurely mark or damage over $500 shoes

Don't expect : to be chastised for expecting a company that prides itself on quality, service, and craftsmanship to not figure out a pattern of a defect and rectify it

Do expect : some irregularities on cool leather and or other material Viberg uses along with other unique patterns of wear

So let's try to keep this constructive and help Viberg grow to wherever they want to be and continue to make great shoes!

Sure, I agree about keeping it constructive. Just keep it in perspective if you don't have much experience buying footwear and have certain expectations. The perception of what "$500 shoes" should look like is entirely subjective. It's been noted many times that finishing is not Viberg's specialty. You will never get "flawless" boots. They're just not equipped nor interested in making Edward Green level dress shoes.

I'm not saying don't let Brett know, but personally this seems more an irregularity than "major QC issue" (as described above). Like a lot of the freakouts on this thread with people taking macro photos of creasing, scratches on pull-up leather, and stitching that is .5mm off, I'm not sure I'd even notice it. I just want to say "wear the damn boots!"

The problem is that when customers place these kinds of demands on manufacturers it doesn't exactly entice them to delve further in making interesting makeups for the men's fashion market. Viberg stopped the custom MTO program and the SF GMTO sounds in a precarious state. Particularly if ppl demand refunds from Viberg over minor issues that exist in some form in all footwear at this price point.
Edited by meso - 1/11/16 at 10:16am
post #15100 of 19291
Meso,

My perspective is solid as I have 6 pairs of vibergs, some churches, and a few Alden's. (Let alone other types of shoes). 5 of the Vibergs have no issues or normal (creasing in the calf etc as ex of normal) and one pair (of which I've accepted) have what apparently is a (possibly) easily corrected manufacturing/shipping induced defect. I get I should and will wear them into the ground, at $700 I want to choose when and how that happens.
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Sure, I agree about keeping it constructive. Just keep it in perspective if you don't have much experience buying footwear and have certain expectations. The perception of what "$500 shoes" should look like is entirely subjective. It's been noted many times that finishing is not Viberg's specialty. You will never get "flawless" boots. They're just not equipped nor interested in making Edward Green level dress shoes.

I'm not saying don't let Brett know, but personally this seems more an irregularity than "major QC issue" (as described above). Like a lot of the freakouts on this thread with people taking macro photos of creasing, scratches on pull-up leather, and stitching that is .5mm off, I'm not sure I'd even notice it. I just want to say "wear the damn boots!"

The problem is that when customers place these kinds of demands on manufacturers it doesn't exactly entice them to delve further in making interesting makeups for the men's fashion market. Viberg stopped the custom MTO program and the SF GMTO sounds in a precarious state. Particularly if ppl demand refunds from Viberg over minor issues that exist in some form in all footwear at this price point.
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Originally Posted by Aviv View Post

Did anyone here pick up these derbies from the bureau? The last pair they have is in my size and heavily discounted. Been looking for a nice spring/summer shoe I can wear without socks. Should I jump on them? Just under $400 usd...
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So aside from the very sad news about David Bowie I woke up to today, I also got an email from the Bureau Belfast telling me my order for these was canceled. Apparently someone placed an order right before me and the stock did not update properly. 

 

Could it be one of you fuckers here jumped in and screwed me out these because I was stupid enough to post about it first? Go on, fess up. It is too fortuitous that this pair had been sitting there for weeks and suddenly disappeared the moment I tried to order. I only have myself to blame, of course. 

 

Nah, those things are butt ughy...someone did you a favor unless you are dressing as the Man from Outer Space...just kidding of course...that sucks.

 

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So aside from the very sad news about David Bowie I woke up to today

Yeah. That was a real crappy start to the day, week, month, and year. R.I.P.
post #15103 of 19291
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Originally Posted by meso View Post



Sure, I agree about keeping it constructive. Just keep it in perspective if you don't have much experience buying footwear and have certain expectations. The perception of what "$500 shoes" should look like is entirely subjective. It's been noted many times that finishing is not Viberg's specialty. You will never get "flawless" boots. They're just not equipped nor interested in making Edward Green level dress shoes.

I'm not saying don't let Brett know, but personally this seems more an irregularity than "major QC issue" (as described above). Like a lot of the freakouts on this thread with people taking macro photos of creasing, scratches on pull-up leather, and stitching that is .5mm off, I'm not sure I'd even notice it. I just want to say "wear the damn boots!"

The problem is that when customers place these kinds of demands on manufacturers it doesn't exactly entice them to delve further in making interesting makeups for the men's fashion market. Viberg stopped the custom MTO program and the SF GMTO sounds in a precarious state. Particularly if ppl demand refunds from Viberg over minor issues that exist in some form in all footwear at this price point.

Really?? If I produced anything less than perfect work in my business I'd be in prison and sued till the end of my natutal life. So I expect the same with any other transaction in my life.

If Viberg buyers are venting concerns over creases than there's obviously a quality issue as small as it might be. Yeah, that's expected at times. Viberg should take corrective action & if they don't the market will truly determine what their product is worth & fate of their brand.
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Really?? If I produced anything less than perfect work in my business I'd be in prison and sued till the end of my natutal life. So I expect the same with any other transaction in my life.

If Viberg buyers are venting concerns over creases than there's obviously a quality issue as small as it might be. Yeah, that's expected at times. Viberg should take corrective action & if they don't the market will truly determine what their product is worth & fate of their brand.

:rotflmao:Man. The responses on this forum crack me up. Viberg is an internationally sought after brand with near cult-like following. Just look through instagram. They have many, many customers who know nothing about this silly place. When people come on here and flip their lids over so called QC issues it can be helpful and enlightening, but also a lot of steam (or typing) being blown. It's hardly an indictment of the company (nor is their "fate" in jeopardy). I think it's no wonder why Guy from Viberg stopped engaging directly with people on here. Too bad. 

 

Bottom line: I promise you know one is going to see these past few posts and think, "man, I had better think twice about Viberg!" Not to mention one of the guys who posted his boonies with the crease admittedly only wears them once a week. No wonder they haven't changed much. Don't get me started on the 5+ boot rotation again...

post #15105 of 19291
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Originally Posted by Aviv View Post
 

:rotflmao:Man. The responses on this forum crack me up. Viberg is an internationally sought after brand with near cult-like following. Just look through instagram. They have many, many customers who know nothing about this silly place. When people come on here and flip their lids over so called QC issues it can be helpful and enlightening, but also a lot of steam (or typing) being blown. It's hardly an indictment of the company (nor is their "fate" in jeopardy). I think it's no wonder why Guy from Viberg stopped engaging directly with people on here. Too bad. 

 

Bottom line: I promise you know one is going to see these past few posts and think, "man, I had better think twice about Viberg!" Not to mention one of the guys who posted his boonies with the crease admittedly only wears them once a week. No wonder they haven't changed much. Don't get me started on the 5+ boot rotation again...


Who flipped their lid? Most of these issues don't bother me but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be talked about. Coming to their aid every time someone makes a criticism makes you sound like one of those "cult-like followers".

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