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post #1216 of 7139
I agree that the $600 to $800 jump gives me pause, given that there is a range of made in america brands for half that. I know, pay to play, if you want it then buy it, yadda... but I'm just not sure I could justify it for another pair of boots.
post #1217 of 7139
I have pair of Vibergs that are in my avatar and they are incredible. Most likely I'll be in the SF MTO.
post #1218 of 7139
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Originally Posted by zola View Post

Not at all: 75 us/can. 150 for international shipping

It's USD70 for international, I was told when I asked about MTO.

post #1219 of 7139
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Styleforummarket will be doing exclusive MTO "group orders" in the near future. That's about 99% certain. They will be presold only, but we will be able to offer free shipping to the CONUS, and a very low flat rate to most of the world, and we will be exempt from the MTO charge. We have a good relationship with Brett and Guy, and while we cannot undercut their prices, for obvious reasons, we will be able to get you actual, exclusive, product, that will be decided on by just a few of you. And there will be some interesting incentives that only I will be able to offer, because of the unique model of the Styleforummarket system. You'll have to stay tuned for that.

Cheers,

Fok.

Top, I can not wait to order!

post #1220 of 7139

no, 75 for US/CAN 150 for international and it only show´s up at the end of the ordering process..

post #1221 of 7139
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From what I understand from their interview with us (http://www.styleforum.net/t/352981/we-talk-to-third-generation-bootmaker-brett-viberg-about-new-directions/0_50) and from conversations, they are at the same time both 1) Positioning themselves a bit more as a fashion brand, and 2) Imposing their brand identity more, with respect to what types of projects they were willing to undertake.

The first is self-explanatory, but the the second requires a bit more explanation, especially when paired with the first. In the past, they did a lot of MTO orders for stores and individuals without any limits, which meant that product was made that did not reflect their values. From what I understand, they are going to be more discerning about this in the future.

As for workers buying $500 boots, I can tell you, first hand, that it happens, and for very practical reasons. I don't know about other types of "workers", but wildland firefighters (I have the lowest set of possible credentials) often buy a pair of custom boots (White's is the most common) that are specific for firefighting. They spent all day on their feet, often in hot, smoldering vegetation that just recently burned out, and the work is backbreaking. You are working in very hot temperatures, with fire-resistant clothing on (it's hot), and often wearing a heavy pack (45 lbs is typical. Smokejumpers carry up to 110 lbs of additional weight. You want boots that properly support your weight, with soles that won't warp because of the extreme heat.

So... the Vibergs I am getting, with have a comfortable Vibram 2060 sole, would not do it. But their traditional models certainly will. Of course, that customer is much less lucrative and more rare than the fashion customer. For example, I only need one pair of firefighting boots, which will last years, but I get footwear all the time, for the style. Companies have to walk the razors edge to appeal to the fashion customer without turning off their core customer. There are good and bad examples of both. I think that Carhartt, at least for the moment, is doing a good job. On the other hand, Levi's has floundered and made bad move after bad move, for years.

Sorry Guy, but that is not true. Have you heard about HAIX, the brand that equipes all firefighters in germany and military groups all over the world? Their shoes are not at all in fashion but the best you can buy and used by paramedics, emergency physicians, helicopter pilots and professionals of all kind. Their state of the art boot is used around the world and the most expensive one is available for 269 €!!! http://www.haix-webshop.de/fire/5/fire-flash-pro?c=2151

I am a professionally working on/with helicopters and the scene and this is the best you can get! nothing I would prefer to wear privately, so please don't tell me anything about practical reasons.

Viberg needs to get off the "business model" otherwise they are selling their soul.. and stop charging customers for shipping when you ask for 650 dollars (and much more plus) for a pair - that is nor appropriate!

post #1222 of 7139
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

We will probably do some of each. Our minimums will be very low. All we will have to do is to find a very small number of people (literally a handful) who want the same thing. We'll open it up soon, after we finalize details with Brett.

Good to hear, want a pair as well but if its gonna be $800 I'll get carmina shell or edward green calf
post #1223 of 7139
Apples and oranges. You can get a structural firefighting boot like the Pro Warrington for around $400-500. They're fairly popular in the US. Woodland firefighting is a different game.
post #1224 of 7139
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Originally Posted by zola View Post

Sorry Guy, but that is not true. Have you heard about HAIX, the brand that equipes all firefighters in germany and military groups all over the world? Their shoes are not at all in fashion but the best you can buy and used by paramedics, emergency physicians, helicopter pilots and professionals of all kind. Their state of the art boot is used around the world and the most expensive one is available for 269 €!!! http://www.haix-webshop.de/fire/5/fire-flash-pro?c=2151

I am a professionally working on/with helicopters and the scene and this is the best you can get! nothing I would prefer to wear privately, so please don't tell me anything about practical reasons.

Viberg needs to get off the "business model" otherwise they are selling their soul.. and stop charging customers for shipping when you ask for 650 dollars (and much more plus) for a pair - that is nor appropriate!

Viberg has a line of real workboots that cost much less than $650:

 

http://www.workboot.com/steel-toe-safety-boots/

 

The boots we are talking about in this forum are their separate "fashion" line of boots. The two lines have different websites viberg.com and workboot.com, but are both Viberg.

post #1225 of 7139
Viberg should take advantage of the hype. For decades they have put out some of the best workboots $ can by in the westcoast. It would be different if they killed the workboot site and serviced the fashion side solely. But they haven't and fr what I can tell the prices are still relatively the same for their loyal workmen customers. The MTO was something that carried over fr the workboot site. Which cannot be maintained if they are to compete in the fashion world. 1. They can't slap their logo on every ugly boot we think looks good... It has to be in line with their identity--What they think is acceptable. Fr what I understand even the MTOs will be "guided" and options will not be as liberal. Keep in mind this is only for the fashionline and that their workboots will probably be the same. 2. Viberg is small and plan to continue the same quality and passion- w a greater demand for inventory. Most machines will be set up for greater production and a custom order can set them back. It's almost not worth it.
I just think as long as they keep servicing the workboot site, and stick to their 200+ step process, they're doing the right thing. They are using the same winning formula they have for decades--quality craft w premium materials. It's just now that the materials are -- horween/horsehide/guidi leathers
post #1226 of 7139
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Good to hear, want a pair as well but if its gonna be $800 I'll get carmina shell or edward green calf

Sure. Of course. It should be noted that Carmina and Edward Green, and Viberg, are different animals. I don't think that it makes much sense to compare one to the other.
post #1227 of 7139
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We will probably do some of each. Our minimums will be very low. All we will have to do is to find a very small number of people (literally a handful) who want the same thing. We'll open it up soon, after we finalize details with Brett.

Great. Looking forward to the oxford, hopefully it'll be something that I'll like.

post #1228 of 7139
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Viberg should take advantage of the hype.

Hype is a dangerous beast, that you should play with, if you a short term business plan, other wise it will come back and bite you in the ass.
post #1229 of 7139
Well, this price hike just confirms my Whites SDs vs Viberg Service Boots debate. Eight bills a hellova lot of scratch! You can practically get two pairs of MTO Whites for the price of one pair of Vibergs. Crazy
post #1230 of 7139
I think that having 2 separate lines that are essentially not associated in any way, except that the fashion line references the original, heritage, line, is usually a winning strategy. Of course, the devil is in the details, but it seems that every brand, be it heritage or sports, that has successfully made an entry into the fashion market without sacrificing its base, has taken this strategy. Nike, of course, is a great example. The way to do this most economically, but also with the least upside, is in licensing.

On a much cooler note, check out the beginnings of my MTO service boots, which are in a special "heather grey" leather, roughout, with the smooth side out on the heel counter. They will sit on a double leather midsole and a beige Vibram 2060 sole. I designed them specifically as "sneaker boots". If enough people want something like that, we can get them in the Styleforummarket MTO program. We will document the entire process.



Right now, I am planning a scout or service boots on a leather or Dainite sole, a pair of oxfords on the same, and a pair of chukkas on a Vibram sole. You guys would vote on the details so that we get something awesome. And it would be malleable. If people wanted 2 different pairs of boots, and there was less interest in the oxfords, we'd do that, etc... What do you guys think?
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