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post #6121 of 6354

Yes, an outlier to make the point, but the difference in the threads is this: sharing and informing on what's good and bad in the world of entry-level watches, which is most of the discussion here.  There are many of us who float around both watch threads, but I think in this one we also see a lot of younger, less watch-obsessed but kind of interested, and brands that are focused on that level of the market - even if some of the bigger players especially, also make a more expensive line.  Nobody talks about Ananta or Grand Seiko here.  They do in TWAT.

 

Whereas a new thread on vintage watch hunting is likely to be a lot more technical, nerdy (in a good way!) and more leaning towards the obsessive nut..and a heady drug to bring in others.  I joined in TWAT four years ago having just fixed up an vintage Omega, about which I knew very little.  Now I'm..well, I'm here...Anyway, I just think the tone, content and readership of a thread that's about getting the best value from classic vintage pieces has its own special quality.

 

Anyway, it's not for me to tell someone to make a new thread, and in general I agree that less division is better.  But just as you've said that in reality there is a lot of high-end dick-waving in TWAT that makes a cheaper watches thread more attractive, and this is it - a flourishing discussion about watches that would attract no replies or interest in other surroundings.  I suspect that a threat about vintage watches would allow that discussion to blossom in the same way, with its own character and direction.  But I'm not going to tell anyone they can and can't post here, it's just a suggestion.

 

Edit: missed the other point; yes personally I think that a $2k watch that's regularly around for half price e.g ETA B&Ms, those lovely JeanRichards etc, does belong here, because they're effectively available to anyone in the PMW bracket.  My point about the vintage ones is really more about their market, their specialist interest and the process of identifying and buying them.  It's a bit different, and an area that might be worthy of its own exploration.  In the mean time, the love it still strong.

post #6122 of 6354

This thread works if we all recognize that the PMW world is not always black and white.  There are gray areas and fringe PMW's that should not be immediately shouted down and told to go to TWAT.  Everyone has valid arguments on why a vintage Omega should or should not be in this thread.  The problem is when certain posters take very rigid positions and immediately tell the poster to get that watch out of here.  How about a little tolerance and recognition for the fact it's not all black and white in this thread?

post #6123 of 6354
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

Yes, an outlier to make the point, but the difference in the threads is this: sharing and informing on what's good and bad in the world of entry-level watches, which is most of the discussion here.  There are many of us who float around both watch threads, but I think in this one we also see a lot of younger, less watch-obsessed but kind of interested, and brands that are focused on that level of the market - even if some of the bigger players especially, also make a more expensive line.  Nobody talks about Ananta or Grand Seiko here.  They do in TWAT.

 

Whereas a new thread on vintage watch hunting is likely to be a lot more technical, nerdy (in a good way!) and more leaning towards the obsessive nut..and a heady drug to bring in others.  I joined in TWAT four years ago having just fixed up an vintage Omega, about which I knew very little.  Now I'm..well, I'm here...Anyway, I just think the tone, content and readership of a thread that's about getting the best value from classic vintage pieces has its own special quality.

 

Anyway, it's not for me to tell someone to make a new thread, and in general I agree that less division is better.  But just as you've said that in reality there is a lot of high-end dick-waving in TWAT that makes a cheaper watches thread more attractive, and this is it - a flourishing discussion about watches that would attract no replies or interest in other surroundings.  I suspect that a threat about vintage watches would allow that discussion to blossom in the same way, with its own character and direction.  But I'm not going to tell anyone they can and can't post here, it's just a suggestion.

 

Edit: missed the other point; yes personally I think that a $2k watch that's regularly around for half price e.g ETA B&Ms, those lovely JeanRichards etc, does belong here, because they're effectively available to anyone in the PMW bracket.  My point about the vintage ones is really more about their market, their specialist interest and the process of identifying and buying them.  It's a bit different, and an area that might be worthy of its own exploration.  In the mean time, the love it still strong.

 

I think that the notion that presentation or discussion of vintage watches is necessarily technical and esoteric in nature isn't valid.  Certainly it can be, but it needn't be.  My post here which drew such a sharp GTFO response from TW was neither technical nor geek-nerdy in nature - it was just "Hey, here's a neat vintage Omega that's the type of watch available at a PMW price".  The facking shoes in the background cost far more. :D  

 

It's simply not the case, IMO, that showing a vintage watch here will inevitably prompt an examination of the minutiae of what movements were used over what years with what dials and what font for the script and omg is that an original crown?  Again, that type of thread-diversion is not something I have really witnessed to be a prevalent issue in this thread.  So why caution against it?  Because the issue here isn't whether a vintage watch thread might be a beneficial place for an in-depth discussion of the genre.  It's whether the presentation of vintage watches HERE should be verboten. Because that IS what is being advanced - though not by you.

post #6124 of 6354
Yeah, I didn't say it had to be esoteric either, just that it might benefit fron such a discussion with like minds.

I have an over budget Longines,on my wrist and an under budget Omega in my display pic. And a perfect Miyota-powered new PMW in the post. It's all good, I just want to talk about watches.

On which note: any problems with Panatime orders? Mine is overdue.
post #6125 of 6354
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Yeah, I didn't say it had to be esoteric either, just that it might benefit fron such a discussion with like minds.

I have an over budget Longines,on my wrist and an under budget Omega in my display pic. And a perfect Miyota-powered new PMW in the post. It's all good, I just want to talk about watches.

On which note: any problems with Panatime orders? Mine is overdue.

 

Me too.

post #6126 of 6354

It's not like there is a high enough volume of posts anyway that we risk the thread being overrun by vintage watches.

 

Let's just let people post what they want and only regulate it if it becomes an issue. 

post #6127 of 6354
Time for some pics, eh gents?

For some time I've been meaning to post a pic of my Belmoto, which is an offshoot of Magrette from New Zealand.

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The second hand only moves when you start the chrono. The left hand complication counts minutes. The right hand complication is a 24 hour counter which to me is kinda pointless. If it could operate independently from the hour hand as a second time zone it would be more useful. The crown at ten o clock turns the inner bezel which DOES then allow you to operate a second time zone, which is useful for when I'm travelling across country.

This one came in all blue but there are black and silver variations too. Very reasonably priced (Quartz) and I love it!
post #6128 of 6354
Very quirky, interesting watch. Pity the case is so big, but they disguise the clustering of the subdials quite cleverly. It's cool.

Oh, hello Fedex...
post #6129 of 6354
Daylight pics another time, but I am loving the pure silliness of it, right out of the...er...tube:

post #6130 of 6354
^ I don't think it's silly at all. Clean, simple design, avoiding unnecessary fuss. Chunky brushed gold, wide milling on the bezel, solid and straightforward lugs. The black strap and dial work well with the gold. It's what Rolex would have made in a steampunk parallel universe. A keeper.
post #6131 of 6354
Yep, let's talk about true PMW right here. Omegas et al are for TWAT. Simple as that!

Moving on, more pics guys please biggrin.gif
post #6132 of 6354
PMW nonpareil...

post #6133 of 6354
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Yeah, I didn't say it had to be esoteric either, just that it might benefit fron such a discussion with like minds.

I have an over budget Longines,on my wrist and an under budget Omega in my display pic. And a perfect Miyota-powered new PMW in the post. It's all good, I just want to talk about watches.

On which note: any problems with Panatime orders? Mine is overdue.

I don't spend the time here talking about watches that I would like to, but I agree with you that I like a discussion about watches.  I really love automatics and enjoy learning about older ones.  I recently bought two off of my local Craigslist.  A Claude Mylan for $75.  It isn't an older one, as it is probably 5 years old at most (only web sites that sold it were in Japan).  And an American company one, that I forget who it is, for $20.   I have an Explorer II and a President too, I paid $1000 for the first, $2000 for the second, but it's the el cheapo's that I really get excited about.  

post #6134 of 6354

^^ Timex - Definitive PMW :lol:

 

The silliness of the Shark Diver (at least this one) is that it's so tall, with massive square lugs that really exaggerate its nominal 45mm case width.  It feels like carrying a car alternator on the wrist, but that's kind of what I wanted.  At under $400 with the Miyota option, it's a very accessible indulgence. :)

post #6135 of 6354

Im a huge fan of russian watches. Mechanically solid, the engineering behind the amphibia to achieve 200m resistance is elegant in its simplicity. As long as you avoid painted dials and are open to some aftermarket add-ons, they can be incredible watches.



The russian chronographs (Sturmanskie, Strela, Okean) represent some of the best value for solid, pedigreed handwinding chronograph movements. The OKEAH (Ocean) reissue is a beauty to behold.



The dress watches with the 2209 movement were (and are) some of the thinnest mechanical movements in the world



The raketa big zero is an awesome piece from the late soviet union with a unique, eye catching design.



Many of these watches were engineered very well, require minimal service, and are available extremely cheap (on the order of $50-60 for one in good condition, sometimes way less. Even a totally flawless NOS example is $100-150). The raketas being made any more (the brand still exists and makes russian watches, but to a more modern aesthetic and a higher price point, though they have some throwback models) and many of them exemplify a unique aesthetic from a bygone era. I cant say for sure they will ever be worth significant sums, but they are always a great conversation starter for watch people. The Vostok Amphibia is still manufactured today in good numbers, the brand seems to be growing strongly the last few years. The chronos are still available as well



 





































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