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post #6031 of 6363
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

Again, dress watches are traditionally smaller than 40mm. Casual/sport watches are fine being 40mm and over, but the design of your dial clearly makes it a dress watch. It's still too big, it's all dial which will no doubt make it wear large (despite what you say). If you were to casual/sport the dial up a bit, then it would be less of a problem, but the design and sizing don't match. As such, the watch is a bit all over the place. Too large and too thick for a dress watch (with a date window too far inside the dial, which is a real bugbear of mine), but not sporty enough of a dial to be a more casual piece. And you say you're not targeting the watch enthusiast, yet here you are on the Style Forum. Contradictions abound. And there are plenty of other alternatives out there that get the mix right and aren't priced too much differently to what you're offering.

Sorry, but your watches are not for me, Wright Watches, and likely not for many others here (though I could be wrong) until you fix some of your issues. And on a forum such as this, it's better to heed such concerns rather than dismiss them.

I'm sure there'll be more pictures soon, Jazzy biggrin.gif Feel free to post some yourself.

I think it's exactly these contradictions that make it somewhat unique watch that may find a niche. I have a handful of (bigger) friends who like watches slightly above a surface level who would really like this watch. 

 

I'll be in for a 36/38mm quartz if you ever make it :)

post #6032 of 6363
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Originally Posted by MSchapiro View Post
 

I think it's exactly these contradictions that make it somewhat unique watch that may find a niche. I have a handful of (bigger) friends who like watches slightly above a surface level who would really like this watch. 

 

I'll be in for a 36/38mm quartz if you ever make it :)

Hey there,

Send them over to our page, maybe they will like the watch! Also thanks for your nice words. To be honest we are working on a new watch to reveal late next year. If you are interested you should signup! Thanks again

post #6033 of 6363
Looks like it wears large to me, certainly looks large on this photo despite what's been said. If the bezel were wider it would wear smaller, but any watch with a narrow bezel will always wear larger because it's all dial:


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Originally Posted by MSchapiro View Post

I think it's exactly these contradictions that make it somewhat unique watch that may find a niche. I have a handful of (bigger) friends who like watches slightly above a surface level who would really like this watch. 

I'll be in for a 36/38mm quartz if you ever make it smile.gif

You might be right, MSchapiro. As you've said before, there are some nice details on the watch - the price point, the enamel dial and the like. Not perfect but some good aspects as well, it must be said.
Edited by TheWraith - 8/24/16 at 4:47pm
post #6034 of 6363
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

Looks like it wears large to me, certainly looks large on this photo despite what's been said. If the bezel were wider it would wear smaller, but any watch with a narrow bezel will always wear larger because it's all dial:


You might be right, MSchapiro. As you've said before, there are some nice details on the watch - the price point, the enamel dial and the like. Not perfect but some good aspects as well, it must be said.

The watch does look big, yes. But the guy is also wearing a plain black t-shirt. The watch is the intentional center of his outfit. 

 

You go to Austin or Seattle and guys love that kind of look. Something vintage inspired but classic and mechanical. Also the exact target audience to spend sub $300 on a nice watch. Frankly even in NJ I see that same look a lot. 

 

I totally get your perspective here and agree with your assessment, but I don't think we're the target audience and that's okay. I doubt WW has the resources to product a mainstream watch and generate enough marketing to get a following. Other players also have that fairly locked down. So makes more sense to go after a particular aesthetic and try take a big share of that market (large vintage inspired mechanical) in this case. 

 

Small brand has to start somewhere :). Let's resume this conversation in a year or so, shall we?

post #6035 of 6363
If you put that guy in a suit the watch would still wear just as large on him. Just the way that watch is. Whether we're the target audience is irrelevant to me. Whether the large watch look is popular or not is irrelevant to me. People out there are stupid and dress like slobs. I'm never going to support that or think that's a good thing. This is SF, most of us here know better. And Wright Watches is here on SF courting us.

But, as you say, the watch is what it is. I wish Wright Watches all the best with it. I personally hope their next creation is a little better designed and sized, though, so that both match with what the watch is trying to be. But all the very best to them, I hope they do well all the same.
Edited by TheWraith - 8/25/16 at 5:28pm
post #6036 of 6363

It's not for me either - don't like dates, movement too small for case, the whole thing just misses my "want" spot.  But that doesn't make it wrong.  Neither does the size, per se, as there are plenty of larger dress watches around - Piaget, VC already mentioned, Lange anyone?  And there's plenty of love here for the Orient Bambino, so it's hardly controversial here to accept a PMW with a cheap Miyota movement and a larger case size.  I would buy a dress watch up to 40mm, though my preference is probably 38, and my two most worn watches are a vintage 35mm Omega (pic) and a modern 36mm Rolex.  It's a matter of taste and mood - I have a 40mm Longines chrono that I use as a dress watch too; strap, dial, colour, lugs, all make a big difference to how something wears.  By the way, I'm 5'11", over 200lbs, wrist about 7.25".  

 

I think for what I assume is the target market - young, fashion-forward guys who are dipping a toe into the luxury watch market as a part of a general interest in men's style, it could do just fine.  As a marketing guy, I have concerns about differentiation and identity, and the design doesn't hit me either.  But that's OK - this is round one.  There are things I like a lot - that it's mechanical, the enamel dial, that someone is willing to put it out there at all.  Good luck to you.  I'm 44, not 22, so why give a shit whether I buy it or not?

 

A while back I had a debate with the guys at "Vincero Collective".  They've put out some watches among their collections, most of which I think are ugly as hell.  One I was sent for review I actually liked a lot in many ways: gorgeous case, design and proportions (though it was also a 40mm dress watch), but I didn't like the quartz movement, or that it was too small for the case and dragged the seconds subdial to the centre - but that's a failing I've seen on everything from Nomos to Patek Philippe in some models.  The fact is, it's undeniably good looking.  I gave it to my son.  Much to my annoyance, as he's also had a Seiko 5, a Tissot and recently a Stowa from me - all of which are far superior in my view - I think the Vincero is the one he likes wearing the most.

 

So hang in there, Mr Wright.  I don't like this one, and among fifty others (literally) on Indiegogo or Kickstarter at any given time, I'm not sure this one is going to push itself out of the crowd and make your fortune just yet.  There are different directions you can go - a shade higher up the chain, cheaper with a quartz, or just trying to develop a distinct and appealing design identity.  Maybe even all of them.  But don't be disheartened by anything you read here: there's a mixture of your core market, and some pretty demanding hobbyists who know just what they want but might not be reflecting your demographic of opportunity.  Think carefully about that last point when you consider your marketing budget priorities.

 

If and when you are clear on who you want to sell to - and maybe you already are - some of the members here might be happy to provide some focus-group-type input into your next run.  Think about the age, aspiration, income level and style preference of your ideal customer, and contact some who seem to fit it.  In the mean time, good luck, and I'm always happy to give whatever obnoxiousness or insight I feel, whether or not I'd buy this particular watch. How about the PMWT co-designs a 38.5mm pure dress watch with you?  :)

 

P.S.  I am craving an offensively chunky diver.  But that's a rather crowded market too.


Edited by mimo - 8/26/16 at 6:01am
post #6037 of 6363

Further to the diver comment, I can't afford a big watch buy, but might get away with a PMW.  Has anyone tried "Blue Sea"?  They look like a huge Miyota-pushed bang for the buck, especially with all the discounts around.  Thoughts?

post #6038 of 6363
I haven't seen the watch, but the 40mm is not a dress watch thing has been hilarious. If it's a time only pure dress watch (no seconds), then yeah, 40mm is just too big. I wear a Nomos Weltzeit with a suit often. I wouldn't call it a dress watch, but it certainly dresses up just fine despite its size and small bezel (certainly better than a Sub which you find worn with suits all over SF for some reason, lots of PAMs too which is worse). There is no hard and fast rule, and most watches that aren't pure sport or dress can be dressed up and down IMO.
Edited by DLJr - 8/26/16 at 7:19pm
post #6039 of 6363
I guess what really bugs me is that it has a nice dress watch dial but not the case size or thinness to go with it. Ill proportioned watches bug me. If the dial were more casualed up, as it were, I'd likely have a different reaction to it. Oh well, don't mind me.
post #6040 of 6363
I think maybe Mr Wright can tell us if he wants any more advice now!


I do - Deep Blue? Big cheap diver alternatives that don't look like knock offs of something else?
post #6041 of 6363
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Big cheap diver alternatives that don't look like knock offs of something else?
How cheap? I'm assuming you've ruled out a Seiko Sumo. What about Mido Ocean Star or Stowa ProDiver? Both are 42mm automatics. Stowa has the date centered at the bottom if dates on the right side bug you.
post #6042 of 6363

Thanks Fred!  I want something different to my Orange Monster: offensively big and chunky, say 44mm-ish, which is big without being too big for my wrist.  For reference, I've been harbouring a guilty lust for Breitling's 44mm Chronomat for quite a while.  But I've also been told in no uncertain terms that I'm not getting one any time soon!

 

So, I looked at various stuff in similar style: dive watch looks, steel bracelet, steel bezel, about that size.  Has to be mechanical.  I liked Deep Blue's Diver Pro 1000m, the bracelet looks nice like Stowa's discontinued bracelet on their Pro Diver.  And I've seen it around the $400 mark which is doable.  The Sumo fits the bill maybe, but I'm trying to avoid the Submariner-like bezel, I'd like to try something that isn't Seiko as I have one, and perhaps I'm not quite sure about the case.  It's a contender though.  Some of those Midos are pretty nice - I hadn't looked at them before.  I'd like to keep the price down to around $3-400 though; more than that and I feel I should be saving for the big deal instead of getting something half way.

 

Anyway, thanks for the tips, will keep looking. :)

post #6043 of 6363

Right.  Big mechanical divers under half a grand.

 

Seiko Recraft, not a diver, but a 44mm sporty thing for $200.  Like that cushion case, and the price is nuts.

 

Seiko Prospex "Baby Tuna".  Maybe just not quite a big enough step up from the Monster - bigger and badder looking, but same 200m rating, no more go but plenty of show for $275.  There are plenty of Seiko options of course, but I liked the look of this best.

 

 

 

Orient M-Force Diver.  Pretty much the same deal, same price, but huge at 46mm and I'm liking the addition of the power reserve.

 

 

Tauchmeister 1000m, serious diver by the look of it, helium release valve, $200?  Tell me how?!

 

 

Tissot Seastar, proper "Swiss" complete with still-actual-ETA movement, 300m rating, $475.  46mm, looks like it will wear huge with those long lugs:

 

 

Steinhart Ocean 44 (used mint), 300m rating, heard some good things on this thread.  Looks very serious and practical, but too much a DSSD tribute? $420.

 

And finally, the one that caught my eye.  Saw it for about $380 yesterday, best is $450 on eBay today, 1000m rating, looks great: Deep Sea Diver Pro 1000 with blue "wave" dial:

 

 

 

What do you guys think?


Edited by mimo - 8/27/16 at 12:06pm
post #6044 of 6363
From an aesthetic stand point I like the deep blue the best, followed by the recraft (though the daydate bugs me a bit, kind of throws everything off, but I can live with it at that price.
post #6045 of 6363

Yeah, I think that case and unusual dial colour would really rock on a Panerai-ish rough leather strap, even with the DD.  But it doesn't quite belong at this party.

 

Urgh.  Trying to talk myself out of this!

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