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post #6016 of 6362
The thickness along with the size look off to me. Vacheron and Breguet have 40 mm dress watches, but coupled with the thickness and almost no bezel, yours just doesn't look right. I understand the limitation of the movement, but you should then design the whole watch around it. The fact that 40mm dress watches looks ok doesn't mean that your design does.
post #6017 of 6362
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Originally Posted by Iyor View Post

The thickness along with the size look off to me. Vacheron and Breguet have 40 mm dress watches, but coupled with the thickness and almost no bezel, yours just doesn't look right. I understand the limitation of the movement, but you should then design the whole watch around it. The fact that 40mm dress watches looks ok doesn't mean that your design does.

I understand. Unfortunately this is a risk we will have to take and proceed with the current design we have. Thanks for your feedback.

post #6018 of 6362
Regarding size, I do agree with some of the previously mentioned ideas that dress watches should be under 38 mm.

I have owned many watches in the past years, from mass produced watches to luxury watches, from obscure brands to vintage watches. I really love them.
But I have to say that my taste has deeply evolved from when I started collecting watches. My first "real" watches were big, very big. 42 mm for "dress" watches big. I still remember the first time I bought a vintage watch and my reaction when it arrived. It was a 34mm, 1950s watch. When I put it on I thought it looked so ridiculous that I gave it to my sister in law. I thought it looked like a woman's watch.
Some years forward, I still own more watches than I have use for. But I only have two watches in my rotation. Only two watches out of all I have that I use. One sports watch, a 37mm Grand Seiko and one dress watch, a 35mm Longines Conquest.
I don't know if my taste will continue to evolve, but for me my sweet spot is nowadays between 34 - 38 mm. Last time I tried one of my original watches, a 40mm "dress" watch, I thought it looked ridiculous rotflmao.gif
post #6019 of 6362
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Originally Posted by Wright Watches View Post
 

Hello,

All these are valid points and we can't argue with them. The deleted thread will come back. It's not actually deleted, it's invisible due to some matters we need to settle with the forum owners. Other than that we accept all the points you point out but we still believe that the 40mm watch we are offering looks fine and feels fine on the wrist. Not too big not too small. 12mm top to bottom again feels fine and not too big. Although we can keep arguing all day about it, let's agree to disagree! I am not trying to defend my brand or anything, it's just if the watch looked or felt too big we wouldn't have continued further with it. But it doesn't. At least to us. The miniaturisation is not something that we could have done due to the fact Miyota 8215 doesn't allow for anything thinner. Miyota 9015 allows for a 10mm but then again the customer would have to pay an extra 100-150$ on top to use that movement. I hope I was clear enough. Thanks

 

This is what is really confusing to me.  Who is your target customer?  Seiko and Orient, among others, both make thinner mechanical dress watches for under $500.  Christopher Ward is right around that price point as well, with its slimline models at 40 mm, roughly 8 mm thick and an ETA movement.  As for the Miyota 9015, Kent Wang is offering dress watches with that movement for under $400.  I hate to say it, but you appear to be entering into a segment of the watch industry that is already being served by competitors with better products and prices.  Am I missing something?  Is there a competitive differentiator for your watches that I fail to grasp?

post #6020 of 6362
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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post
 

 

This is what is really confusing to me.  Who is your target customer?  Seiko and Orient, among others, both make thinner mechanical dress watches for under $500.  Christopher Ward is right around that price point as well, with its slimline models at 40 mm, roughly 8 mm thick and an ETA movement.  As for the Miyota 9015, Kent Wang is offering dress watches with that movement for under $400.  I hate to say it, but you appear to be entering into a segment of the watch industry that is already being served by competitors with better products and prices.  Am I missing something?  Is there a competitive differentiator for your watches that I fail to grasp?

Hello.

You are talking about watches of 350-500$. We could have done that if we used 9015 and we kept the thickness at around 10mm. Although the price point we wanted was under 300$ and that was only possible with 8215 that doesnt allow for less than 12mm. I think i explained that previously (not sure). Also about the question "Who is your target customer?" Well the answer is every watch enthusiast who wants to enter the mechanical world but doesn't afford the 350$+ watches. We are not targeting watch freaks, enthusiasts because these people usually own relative expensive watches. We just want to target people who want to try an automatic without paying an arm and a leg. I never said that our watches are better than Seiko or Orient. I never mentioned any other brand on any of my posts. The difference to our watches? Is that for 200-250$ you can get a really good entry level automatic watch if you want to enter the mechanical world. At least that's the idea. Is that more clear? Thanks

post #6021 of 6362

So my seiko orange monster is still messed up. I was given the referral to a watch repair place but they were moving and so the watch is still sitting here not being used.

It has trouble keeping time and seems to run out of reserve very fast. I'm debating whether it's worth it to have it repaired or if it makes more sense to just buy a new one. I like the watch a lot and wouldn't mind having it worked on if it's not prohibitively expensive. I live in MA and there are probably a few places here that can do the work if anyone has any recs (here or otherwise).

Thanks!

post #6022 of 6362
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Originally Posted by Wright Watches View Post
 

Well the answer is every watch enthusiast who wants to enter the mechanical world but doesn't afford the 350$+ watches. We are not targeting watch freaks, enthusiasts because these people usually own relative expensive watches. We just want to target people who want to try an automatic without paying an arm and a leg.

 

The above seems a little contradictory

 

I wish you all the luck, and so please don't take my posts in the wrong way, but I personally would be concerned about the size of your target market. In the UK, as in the USA, I think the vast majority of watch enthusiasts are going to be able to buy Seiko and Orient. Maybe takes 9 months saving, maybe they have to buy secondhand but they arent unaffordable in these markets.

 

For those who arent watch enthusiasts is the price too high? Are these people even going to know what a mechanical watch is -v- quartz? Are they more interested in the brand on their wrist if they are willing to pay those prices?

 

On the size front, note the british effort (see http://www.watchuseek.com/marloe-watch-co-launch-the-cherwell-on-kickstarter/ ) is even wider case, though I personally prefer the face.

post #6023 of 6362

I bought both my watches, a hamilton and a seiko, when I was in college about 6-7 years ago. The hamilton was a 1k or so watch that I bought used for 500 on a watch forum and the seiko was bought on creation watches for 200 something as a 'beater', though it gets more wear.

 

Those the like watches for looks are always going to end up buying something like a diesel or a fossil or what have you. Didn't nixon watches start up in the US as a quartz watch too? My point is that selling watches on the internet (except maybe through kickstarter) means that anyone will be able to run a search.

If the hits keep coming in that you're better off buying a used watch for the same price, that's what many of my generation will do. That's what I did. I just realized I got way more for the little money that I had if I bought something used. If I turn around today to sell it, I'll likely get a similar amount for it as what I paid, if not a hair less. 

post #6024 of 6362
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

So my seiko orange monster is still messed up. I was given the referral to a watch repair place but they were moving and so the watch is still sitting here not being used.

It has trouble keeping time and seems to run out of reserve very fast. I'm debating whether it's worth it to have it repaired or if it makes more sense to just buy a new one. I like the watch a lot and wouldn't mind having it worked on if it's not prohibitively expensive. I live in MA and there are probably a few places here that can do the work if anyone has any recs (here or otherwise).

Thanks!

 

When I was in your shoes, I Googled Seiko repair and Watchuseek and came up with threads on recommended places for Seiko repair.  There were three that were far and above the others.  One in Detroit, and I think one in Boston.  All were pretty much Seiko enthusiasts that seemed like they might be working out of their basements/garage.  I recall the prices were pretty competitive.  Good luck.

post #6025 of 6362
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Originally Posted by Wright Watches View Post
 

Hello.

You are talking about watches of 350-500$. We could have done that if we used 9015 and we kept the thickness at around 10mm. Although the price point we wanted was under 300$ and that was only possible with 8215 that doesnt allow for less than 12mm. I think i explained that previously (not sure). Also about the question "Who is your target customer?" Well the answer is every watch enthusiast who wants to enter the mechanical world but doesn't afford the 350$+ watches. We are not targeting watch freaks, enthusiasts because these people usually own relative expensive watches. We just want to target people who want to try an automatic without paying an arm and a leg. I never said that our watches are better than Seiko or Orient. I never mentioned any other brand on any of my posts. The difference to our watches? Is that for 200-250$ you can get a really good entry level automatic watch if you want to enter the mechanical world. At least that's the idea. Is that more clear? Thanks

I think your design is solid and I really like it. The case backs are a nice touch. The price point overall is good for someone who wants a nicer watch but doesn't know too much about watches. 

 

That said, it is a big watch, which I think rules out 30% of the male population. Big watches do seem to finally be losing some of their luster or at least the ever growing size race has stopped. Overall though I don't think this matters that much. You're launching a niche brand and don't need to take the whole market. You're not a Seiko who needs to sell thousands of units to break even. You can always launch more lines later. 

 

The only things that I do see come up is the auto vs quartz debate. You don't have a clear caseback, so someone can't see the auto movement (the reason I bought my Seiko 5). You also have a higher price point and a much thicker watch because of it. I can't help but feel that even if this line is a success, design, not being auto, is your strength. An even lower priced (and thinner) quartz in addition to this line may do very well in the mainstream market. There is probably a reason companies like DW have ended up offering both an auto and quartz. 

post #6026 of 6362
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Originally Posted by MSchapiro View Post
 

I think your design is solid and I really like it. The case backs are a nice touch. The price point overall is good for someone who wants a nicer watch but doesn't know too much about watches. 

 

That said, it is a big watch, which I think rules out 30% of the male population. Big watches do seem to finally be losing some of their luster or at least the ever growing size race has stopped. Overall though I don't think this matters that much. You're launching a niche brand and don't need to take the whole market. You're not a Seiko who needs to sell thousands of units to break even. You can always launch more lines later. 

 

The only things that I do see come up is the auto vs quartz debate. You don't have a clear caseback, so someone can't see the auto movement (the reason I bought my Seiko 5). You also have a higher price point and a much thicker watch because of it. I can't help but feel that even if this line is a success, design, not being auto, is your strength. An even lower priced (and thinner) quartz in addition to this line may do very well in the mainstream market. There is probably a reason companies like DW have ended up offering both an auto and quartz. 

Thanks, time will show to be honest .

post #6027 of 6362

Ya think maybe somebody might actually get around to posting a photo of a watch?  :rimshot:

post #6028 of 6362
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Originally Posted by Jazzmenco View Post
 

Ya think maybe somebody might actually get around to posting a photo of a watch?  :rimshot:


And there was me thinking this was a discussion forum rather than a photo gallery  :teach:

post #6029 of 6362
Again, dress watches are traditionally smaller than 40mm. Casual/sport watches are fine being 40mm and over, but the design of your dial clearly makes it a dress watch. It's still too big, it's all dial which will no doubt make it wear large (despite what you say). If you were to casual/sport the dial up a bit, then it would be less of a problem, but the design and sizing don't match. As such, the watch is a bit all over the place. Too large and too thick for a dress watch (with a date window too far inside the dial, which is a real bugbear of mine), but not sporty enough of a dial to be a more casual piece. And you say you're not targeting the watch enthusiast, yet here you are on the Style Forum. Contradictions abound. And there are plenty of other alternatives out there that get the mix right and aren't priced too much differently to what you're offering.

Sorry, but your watches are not for me, Wright Watches, and likely not for many others here (though I could be wrong) until you fix some of your issues. And on a forum such as this, it's better to heed such concerns rather than dismiss them.

I'm sure there'll be more pictures soon, Jazzy biggrin.gif Feel free to post some yourself.
post #6030 of 6362
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

Again, dress watches are traditionally smaller than 40mm. Casual/sport watches are fine being 40mm and over, but the design of your dial clearly makes it a dress watch. It's still too big, it's all dial which will no doubt make it wear large (despite what you say). If you were to casual/sport the dial up a bit, then it would be less of a problem, but the design and sizing don't match. As such, the watch is a bit all over the place. Too large and too thick for a dress watch (with a date window too far inside the dial, which is a real bugbear of mine), but not sporty enough of a dial to be a more casual piece. And you say you're not targeting the watch enthusiast, yet here you are on the Style Forum. Contradictions abound. And there are plenty of other alternatives out there that get the mix right and aren't priced too much differently to what you're offering.

Sorry, but your watches are not for me, Wright Watches, and likely not for many others here (though I could be wrong) until you fix some of your issues. And on a forum such as this, it's better to heed such concerns rather than dismiss them.

I'm sure there'll be more pictures soon, Jazzy biggrin.gif Feel free to post some yourself.

As i said in previous posts all of your feedback are taken into consideration (and i am not just saying that.) This is our first ever watch, we put a lot of effort and many months of preparations just to take the first step to post on such forums. Maybe you are right this forum is not our audience but it didn't hurt to try. We are making a huge step into a big industry. Maybe you will like our next collection which will be revealed late next year but for now this is the watch we will be launching. Maybe you are right and we will fail but maybe there are people out there who will like it. You never know. Thank you for your comments and feedback so far :)

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