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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post

Off the top of my head, I have the 8L-35, 6R-15, 7S-26, and the 7S-35.

The 8L-35 is in the MM 300 and I haven't measured it in a while but it was always running about +12 to +15 seconds a day which seemed like poor performance for what is otherwise an awesome watch. This is at the top end of what this movement is rated for but for the cost, I feel it should be better. FWIW though, I will say that I don't think I've worn this consistently for more than 2 days in quite some time so that may be influencing the accuracy. I have seen many reviews with much better accuracy than mine so maybe I'll have to do an experiment with this one and wear it every day for a week or two and see if it settles down some.

I have the 6R-15 in the SARB017, Shogun, and a Blumo (that I no longer have) and I probably gain about 10 seconds a week on those on average, maybe a little more.

I have the 7S-26 in an Orange Monster and an SKX007. The Orange Monster gains maybe 2 or 3 seconds a week while the 007 can be all over the place.

The 7S-35 is in an old titanium Samauri and that one is pretty consistent at +10 seconds a week.

Like I said with my MM300, one of the problems with all of my Seikos is probably that I have too many watches so nothing really gets worn for a long period of time. I've read that that can be problematic for the accuracy and might explain why some of them can be so fickle. Maybe it's time to thin the herd?

My Helson Skindiver has a Miyota 9015 and I can pack that away unworn for a month and still consistently count on +5 seconds a week when I finally put it back on. That consistency means a lot to me.

Except for your marine master, All of your watches are getting unbelievable accuracy, well beyond chronometer specifications.
post #5957 of 6351
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Originally Posted by Neognosis View Post

Except for your marine master, All of your watches are getting unbelievable accuracy, well beyond chronometer specifications.

I think the thing that stops a lot of the Seiko movements from meeting the COSC specs is the lack of consistency. While the average daily rate might fall within the specs, over the course of the 2 week test period, they probably wont meet the mean requirement, especially movements like the 7S-26 and the 6R-15 that might be all over the place the first couple of days before settling down and a watch like my my SKX007 would likely fail because it often more than a 10 second variation in the rates while my Orange Monster, with essentially the same movement, might sail through.

In the end though, I think a lot more movements in general would probably meet COSC specs if the manufacturers went to the added expense of actually getting them certified, but that would kill the affordability for most of our beloved poor man's watches.

Then of course there's the sticking point that the Seiko movements are ineligible because they weren't manufactured in Switzerland...
post #5958 of 6351
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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post


I think the thing that stops a lot of the Seiko movements from meeting the COSC specs is the lack of consistency. While the average daily rate might fall within the specs, over the course of the 2 week test period, they probably wont meet the mean requirement, especially movements like the 7S-26 and the 6R-15 that might be all over the place the first couple of days before settling down and a watch like my my SKX007 would likely fail because it often more than a 10 second variation in the rates while my Orange Monster, with essentially the same movement, might sail through.

In the end though, I think a lot more movements in general would probably meet COSC specs if the manufacturers went to the added expense of actually getting them certified, but that would kill the affordability for most of our beloved poor man's watches.

Then of course there's the sticking point that the Seiko movements are ineligible because they weren't manufactured in Switzerland...

 

 

That mirrors my experience with my 4r36 Monster and my 6r15 SARG007.

 

Both have significant gain or loss when worn, but make that up depending on how they are positioned overnight. 

 

So, like you say, my SARG loses 10 seconds a day, but gains it back overnight if left face up.

 

 

My ETA movement gains 5 seconds every day no matter what I do with it or how I store it overnight. 

 

(except when I'm in the southern hemisphere... then it gains less than a second a day. I'm completely at a loss to explain this, but it's been that way consistently every time I travel south of the equator....)

post #5959 of 6351
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except when I'm in the southern hemisphere... then it gains less than a second a day. I'm completely at a loss to explain this, but it's been that way consistently every time I travel south of the equator....

That's really interesting and I wonder if it has anything to do with the difference in absolute latitude? For instance maybe your accuracy would generally be the same (except reversed) if you went from 42º N to 42º S but might be substantially different if you went from something like 42º N to 8º S?
post #5960 of 6351

Interesting.....

 

I travel to Australia several times a year, and my watch is dead on the whole week I'm there...

 

You know, come to  think of it, I spent a week in New Mexico a few months ago, and my watch was almost dead on the whole week I was there too....

 

 

Typically I'm in New York, where I gain 5 seconds a day. 

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Maybe I can use these anecdotal findings to convince my wife that we need to move somewhere warmer.
post #5962 of 6351
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That mirrors my experience with my 4r36 Monster and my 6r15 SARG007.

 

Both have significant gain or loss when worn, but make that up depending on how they are positioned overnight. 

 

So, like you say, my SARG loses 10 seconds a day, but gains it back overnight if left face up.

 

 

My ETA movement gains 5 seconds every day no matter what I do with it or how I store it overnight. 

 

(except when I'm in the southern hemisphere... then it gains less than a second a day. I'm completely at a loss to explain this, but it's been that way consistently every time I travel south of the equator....)

Gravitational and magnetic fields vary. The Earth is lumpy.

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OK guys I know this is not under 1000$, but still, its my next one. Nomos Tangente.

 

 

 

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^ If you have big enough wrists, I think Nomos has some gorgeous watches. I had the Ahoi Atlantic but had to part ways with it. The lugs on the Ahoi (and many of their watches) stick out so far and so flat that the already large watches wear even bigger and quite awkwardly.

I have been really tempted lately by their smallest version of the Club but am going to wait this time until I can see one in person and try it on.
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FYI - The nomos orion is on massdrop right now for $1770

 

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post #5966 of 6351
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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post

^ If you have big enough wrists, I think Nomos has some gorgeous watches. I had the Ahoi Atlantic but had to part ways with it. The lugs on the Ahoi (and many of their watches) stick out so far and so flat that the already large watches wear even bigger and quite awkwardly.

I have been really tempted lately by their smallest version of the Club but am going to wait this time until I can see one in person and try it on.
I thought they were known for their smaller watches. Wearing my LE Tangente today. I have small wrists (6.25").

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I thought they were known for their smaller watches. Wearing my LE Tangente today. I have small wrists (6.25").
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You are right that the watches cases aren't really particularly large, but to me it seems like their lugs are often very long and flat which gives the watch a relatively larger lug-to-lug measurement.

What size is your Tangente? One of the things I like about Nomos is that they offer many of their watches in multiple case sizes. I think the Tangente comes in 33.0, 35.0, 38.5 and maybe even 40.0mm versions.
post #5968 of 6351
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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post

You are right that the watches cases aren't really particularly large, but to me it seems like their lugs are often very long and flat which gives the watch a relatively larger lug-to-lug measurement.

What size is your Tangente? One of the things I like about Nomos is that they offer many of their watches in multiple case sizes. I think the Tangente comes in 33.0, 35.0, 38.5 and maybe even 40.0mm versions.

If memory serves, I think it is the 35mm.
post #5969 of 6351
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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post


You are right that the watches cases aren't really particularly large, but to me it seems like their lugs are often very long and flat which gives the watch a relatively larger lug-to-lug measurement.

What size is your Tangente? One of the things I like about Nomos is that they offer many of their watches in multiple case sizes. I think the Tangente comes in 33.0, 35.0, 38.5 and maybe even 40.0mm versions.

 

I agree.  The watches wear large due to the long lugs.  Orion 38 on my 7 inch wrist.

 

 

post #5970 of 6351
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Originally Posted by joshmick View Post
 

FYI - The nomos orion is on massdrop right now for $1770

 

(my referral link if you don't have a massdrop yet): https://www.massdrop.com/r/G3UFY5

 

You can get it cheaper and with the Nomos 2 year warranty from a trusted German grey market retailer on Chrono24.

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