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Seiko makes several LEGENDARY automatics, iconic, really. Seiko makes their own automatic movements, which is a big deal in a world of automatics where almost everyone else (except Rolex, notably) uses an ETA or ETA inspired movement like Selita, as far as I know.

 

I'm not aware of anything citizen makes with that heritage behind it.

 

Citizen seems to primarily make eco drive and solar movements, which many watch aficionados do not not care for.


Edited by Neognosis - 7/15/16 at 10:44am
post #5942 of 6354
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post


is amazon a good plce to get a seiko?


Definitely - I've gotten a several watches from Amazon, including Seikos, which are usually priced pretty well, especially when they're on sale.

 

My favorite is the Seiko 5 Sports auto - I wear it almost every day (as you can see in the pic):

 

 

You can read my full review here: http://www.prakticala.com/2015/03/beater-review-seiko-5-sports-snzg13-automatic-field-watch/

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The SRP667K1 is one my favorite Seiko 5's. 

 


Edited by redboat - 7/16/16 at 10:00pm
post #5944 of 6354
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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post

I'd check out Stapcode. Their bracelets are a pretty good value and they have just about every size and style imaginable. 

 

I've had Strapcode's Super Oyster on my 007 for a little over a year now, and I'm very happy with it.  

post #5945 of 6354
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Originally Posted by Neognosis View Post

Seiko makes several LEGENDARY automatics, iconic, really. Seiko makes their own automatic movements, which is a big deal in a world of automatics where almost everyone else (except Rolex, notably) uses an ETA or ETA inspired movement like Selita, as far as I know.

I'm not aware of anything citizen makes with that heritage behind it.

Citizen seems to primarily make eco drive and solar movements, which many watch aficionados do not not care for.

Citizen makes the Miyota movements. All are robùst, some of which are very fine. Along with Sellita, it has become the alternative to the ETA movements of the Swatch group. I believe Seven Fridays uses this movement.
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Interesting, I did not know that.
post #5947 of 6354
The simplest answer, I think, is that Seiko make mechanical PMWs and Citizen only offer quartz. Rightly or wrongly, watch aficionados tend to have a sentimental bias toward the former.

Seiko's offering sub-$100 proper autos of reasonable quality really sets them apart, and the reputation acquired by also offering quality mechanixals up into the thousands of dollars, helps too.

I didn't know Citizen owned Miyota either.(sorry, didn't read neognosis' before posting)
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Orient Bambino II
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Yes, Citizen owns Miyota, which makes a HECK of a lot of automatic movements found in a great many watches that can no longer source ETA movements, and many micro watch brands that may not be able to afford ETA movements in the first place. One of the best and most robust auto movements out there right now that isn't hugely expensive (though Miyota have recently greatly increased their prices, so I'm told).
post #5950 of 6354
Generally, watch folks consider ETA a superior movement, then Seiko and selita, and lastly Miyota.

I really can't say if there is any justification for this at all.

My ETA movement is more stable than both my Seiko movements. I don't have a Miyota.
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I have a Miyota in one of my Helson's and when worn regularly it's more accurate than any of my automatic Seikos. I am always surprised with how little time the watch gains or loses over the course of a week. Only my Spring Drive tuna is comparable, but I guess that's technically a quartz. I'd put the Miyota on par with similarly price ETA movements in terms of accuracy.
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I have a Miyota in one of my Helson's and when worn regularly it's more accurate than any of my automatic Seikos. I am always surprised with how little time the watch gains or loses over the course of a week. Only my Spring Drive tuna is comparable, but I guess that's technically a quartz. I'd put the Miyota on par with similarly price ETA movements in terms of accuracy.

Which movements do you have? I have a 6R-15 that is only gaining a second or two a week last time I checked. Have never checked my Miyota, partially because the shorter power reserve tends to let it run out before I wear it again. 

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Originally Posted by Neognosis View Post
 

Citizen seems to primarily make eco drive and solar movements, which many watch aficionados do not not care for.


Before buying Seiko I had a few Citizens because I read that they have similar quality but I personaly only bad experiences. My Nighthawk was leaking after a week for example.

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Which movements do you have? I have a 6R-15 that is only gaining a second or two a week last time I checked. Have never checked my Miyota, partially because the shorter power reserve tends to let it run out before I wear it again.

Off the top of my head, I have the 8L-35, 6R-15, 7S-26, and the 7S-35.

The 8L-35 is in the MM 300 and I haven't measured it in a while but it was always running about +12 to +15 seconds a day which seemed like poor performance for what is otherwise an awesome watch. This is at the top end of what this movement is rated for but for the cost, I feel it should be better. FWIW though, I will say that I don't think I've worn this consistently for more than 2 days in quite some time so that may be influencing the accuracy. I have seen many reviews with much better accuracy than mine so maybe I'll have to do an experiment with this one and wear it every day for a week or two and see if it settles down some.

I have the 6R-15 in the SARB017, Shogun, and a Blumo (that I no longer have) and I probably gain about 10 seconds a week on those on average, maybe a little more.

I have the 7S-26 in an Orange Monster and an SKX007. The Orange Monster gains maybe 2 or 3 seconds a week while the 007 can be all over the place.

The 7S-35 is in an old titanium Samauri and that one is pretty consistent at +10 seconds a week.

Like I said with my MM300, one of the problems with all of my Seikos is probably that I have too many watches so nothing really gets worn for a long period of time. I've read that that can be problematic for the accuracy and might explain why some of them can be so fickle. Maybe it's time to thin the herd?

My Helson Skindiver has a Miyota 9015 and I can pack that away unworn for a month and still consistently count on +5 seconds a week when I finally put it back on. That consistency means a lot to me.
post #5955 of 6354
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Originally Posted by Neognosis View Post

Generally, watch folks consider ETA a superior movement, then Seiko and selita, and lastly Miyota.

I really can't say if there is any justification for this at all.

My ETA movement is more stable than both my Seiko movements. I don't have a Miyota.

That's watch snobbery talking. Miyota make some of the best automatic movements around today. They just don't have the name cache of ETA and similar Swiss movements. But they are a robust and reliable movement. I've had watches with the 9015 movement before and they performed better than any of my ETAs.
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