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post #826 of 5149
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Originally Posted by L'Incandescent View Post

With the hiring of Dale Sveum, you've got to consider the Cubs as favorites in the NL Central. This is the guy who masterminded the Brewers' Wild Card Championship run of 2008.

I just mainly remember dale sveum making notoriously bad decisions/calls as a 3rd base coach when he was on the Red Sox. It was almost comical how bad he was at sending the runner through only to be tagged out by 10feet. he was the guy for the 04' WS team as well as the 05 team that also made the playoffs.

other than that though he probably is a good manager with is record coaching from the dugout.
post #827 of 5149
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

I just mainly remember dale sveum making notoriously bad decisions/calls as a 3rd base coach when he was on the Red Sox. It was almost comical how bad he was at sending the runner through only to be tagged out by 10feet. he was the guy for the 04' WS team as well as the 05 team that also made the playoffs.
other than that though he probably is a good manager with is record coaching from the dugout.

No Dale Sveum managed team has ever failed to make the postseason!

I was being a little sarcastic there. The Brewers fired Ned Yost in 2008 near the end of the season as they were slowly losing their Wild Card lead. After Sveum took over, they just barely held on. That said, I think Brewer fans, myself included, have a lot of good feelings about Sveum.
post #828 of 5149
Verlander wins the MVP. Wow! Horrible choice.

Lets debate it!!!
post #829 of 5149
^ he pitched 251+ innings, WHIP 0.92, era 2.40, 7.3+inn/game, 250Ks

thats being involved in at least 22-30 at bats per game.

remember batters may theoretically play in 90% of all regular season games (but only bat once out of 9 times in a line up) also pitching is a fielding position so verlander still had to field 100% the time he played.

workload wise he's up there with CC sabathia and halladay (he's not one of those 5inn barely a legitimate start like Dice K guys).

verlander is a worthy MVP.

ellusbury was valuable and had an excellent year - but guys like papi/gonzo were valuable as well (he wasn't the sole reason for the winning season - in reality - total collapse).

its just PISSES ME OFF THAT PEDRO MARTINEZ DIDN'T EVEN WIN THE FUCKING CY YOUNG IN 2002 or 2003 with the new "enlightenment" that the voters have.

I can understand the 1999 MVP going to a roided out Ivan Rodriguez because of his triple crown like numbers as well as outrageous modern day stats + being a catcher (premium fielding position) over pedro martinez.
post #830 of 5149
^ Those numbers would be more impressive if he played in Old Tigers Stadium.
post #831 of 5149
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post

Verlander wins the MVP. Wow! Horrible choice.
Lets debate it!!!

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!
post #832 of 5149
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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!

Nope, tonight Tubes at 20 paces. Yes that sounds gay.
post #833 of 5149
The stat that sticks out in my mind and it may totally be trivial is that he was 16-3 after a Tiger's loss.
post #834 of 5149
Good for Braun on MVP. Kemp was good candidate as well. I think the slate for Al was not as strong which is a big reason Verlander won it. It does make past voting (Like Pedro) suspect.
post #835 of 5149
^ it really does make voting suspect when the 1 fella who left verlander of the ballot altogether went on record saying pitchers shouldn't be considered when the MLB's ballot says specifically pitchers and DHs are to be considered. now if he had a decent reason for leaving him off, i'd be ok with that. but him saying, "i don't believe pitchers should be considered" is ridiculous.
post #836 of 5149
The writers have been somewhat consistent in not voting for pitchers through the years. Of course there have been a few MVP pitchers but there has been a number of years where you can make the arguement that the pitcher should have won. There is a lot of debate in how various writers define "most valuable". But they do like teams that win and Verlander was dominant this year. Congrats to him. Granderson, Ellsbury had good years but they were not a clear cut above the rest like Verlander was vs. other pitchers.

And of course previous MVP voting is suspect at times. I have read that Ted Williams lost to DiMaggio one year by 1 point. A writer completely left Williams off his ballot because he had an arguement with Williams. Williams won triple crown that year and clearly had better numbers....- .343, 32 home runs and 125 RBIs -- Joe D: .315 with 20 home runs and 97 RBI. What a crime to completely leave Williams off ballot that year - and to lose by 1 point.
post #837 of 5149
how about Pedro's '99 year when two writers left him off their ballots, one being from NYC. that was said pitchers didn't play enough to warrant consideration, yet he had voted for 2 pitchers the prior year.

23-4
213 IP
303 Ks
2.07 ERA

just sick.
post #838 of 5149
I don't even think the writers should be deciding this shit. HOF or any type of awards, it should be done by managers. I can't remember which writer it was but I remember he was one of the fattest baseball writers of all time, he ended up not voting for Nolan Ryan for HOF induction because he was pissed that either Gaylord Perry or Don Sutton didn't get 100% of the vote....it might have been Phil Neiko, I can't remember.
post #839 of 5149
lol Bobby Valentine
post #840 of 5149
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

lol Bobby Valentine

At least we won't have to listen to him on TV any more. But his bar is nice. smile.gif
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